hey gregg , just wanted to get back to ya . i figured out what u were talkin about , lol just kina happend i was bareshafting today workin on gettin the right arrows and all that good stuff , and i realized that i had also changed my grip as well , guess what ? i found my thumb pointin forward as well all by its self lol!!!and i was more consistant with my bareshafting as well . thats one thing i love about this life while we fight to accel in it sometimes good things just kinda happen and its a long and winding road to get where we r goin. or at least where we think we r goin.