What poundege and arrow weight???

[Charlie Lamb]

O.L.
Yeah I see what you mean. Trying to put together an arrow/bow combo for Asiatic Buff and gotta think I can get enough energy into a heavy arrow without having to "rassle" an 80# bow. I think Terry and Lance are lookin at the same thing.
I'd just as soon avoid the "nature sortin things out" approach.   :D  

My thought on the Buff bow is that if Monty Browning kills a buff with an 85# longbow, then I should be able to match performance with say 77/78# recurve that shoots fast.
Gotta think that if one of the guys had some hard Chrono numbers for their Buff bows and arrow I would have a guideline to go by. So far I haven't seen that posted.

[bayoulongbowman]

Charlie , I here ole monty shooting 92lbs now . thanks Mc

[Rick McGowan]

I do think that 75#'s out of the right bow with the right arrows and shot well is enough for asiatic. However I know my 85# will shoot through the worse parts even if things aren't going perfectly    Monty's bow was only shooting the 1500 grain arrow at about 140fps for I think he said a KE of 43 or so?
I don't beleive in the "laws or diminishing returns" as pertains to getting an arrow to the target. Most of the time when someone says everything else was equal, it really wasn't. The best bow design for 45#'s may not be the best for 85#'s. The advantage of shooting the heavier bow is not to shoot a light arrow faster, but to shoot a heavier arrow at the same speed. I have two "identical" sets of limb, except one is 79#'s and the other is 85#'s and believe me there is a very obvious difference in performance.
My recommendation for guys that want to go next year is to start working on your setup NOW. The bow part is fairly easy, you just need to tune it to the max and work into shooting it. The hard part is coming up with the right arrows. Rick

[Troy D. Breeding]

Rick,

If Monty's set up is as stated, them my set up should be good enough. I'm getting 42# of KE with the setup. However,,,,, I ain't so sure I want to tackle Cape Buff with a 60# bow....  

[O.L. Adcock]

Rick, I agree with you for the most part but you make it sound like some bows will shoot heavier arrows "Better" than light. I have never seen that to be the case. In every case, comparing one bow to another, which ever one shot the light arrow the fastest also would shoot a heavy arrow the fastest. Same arrows.....Not sticking with XX grians/pound. In some cases the spread between will actually get greater as the arrow weight goes up....O.L.

[Twang at Work]

Would anyone here resort to using wheels to get to a minimum KE for buff?    :D  

I myself would rather go to Mozambique.  

[Rick Boyer]

WHEELS!!!    


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[Rick McGowan]

OL, sorry if I wasb't clear on what I was trying to say, cause that wan't it at all. I agree with what you said. I wasn't trying to compare heavy and light arrows out of the same bow. I was trying to make the point that the advantage of going to a higher poundage bow, was NOT to shoot an arrow of the same grain weight faster, than out of a lighter bow, but to shoot a heavier arrow at the same speed (roughly) as the lighter arrow out of the ligher bow. Rick

[O.L. Adcock]

Gosh Rick, scared me for a second. I was hoping you didn't believe that old wives tale! Absolutly...Heavier and faster together is ideal cause you can go up even more in arrow weight but I'll take heavier and the same speed any day. Dropping arrow weight to gain speed is false economy!....O.L.

[Rick McGowan]

O.L.YEAH, thats what I was trying to say, but with a lot more words! Rick

[crane]

Charlie-I have a BW that is 84 lbs @28 inches. My arrows weigh 945-950 and shoot through the chrono at 165 fps.

[Twang at Work]

57 ft/lbs of KE according to my calcs.

Wow, 84# bow and still only gets about 71% of the way there.   :rolleyes:  

Don't guess I'll be hunting RSA for buff unless these steriods kick in soon!  

[crane]

Twang- Isn't that the truth! It took me about a year to work into this system between the mechanics of the arrow and the physical part of it. If the buff thing in Moz works out we are thinking of trying to hook up in OZ asap because at our ages I don't know how long you can pull the weight w/o some kind of blow out. Have been very religous about the training part of this and make a major effort to warm up with a 60 lb bow before shooting the big boy. So far, so good.

[Twang]

Crane,

To me, you are a youngster.  I have underwear older than you!      So it is only an academic exercise (I wonder if they really check even in RSA and if they do, then the usual 200 Rand stipend should take care of any problem there right?    ).

I have heard that other countries in Africa (Mozambique for one) offer Cape Buff hunting without the KE rule and it doesn't seem like there is a rule in OZ for their buff?  

Can anyone clarify this further?    :confused:  

If this is the case, then it is simply a matter of what would work, KE aside.  

[Charlie Lamb]

Crane... thanks for the input. Needed some goals.  

[crane]

There may be instances of PHs looking the other way on the KE thing in SA. Having read these and other threads for awhile, and in conjunction w/ Ashby's work,the KE requirments are a bit of a joke. I know that in MOZ there are none, other that acceptance from your hunter. But the other side of that is after talking to 3 separate parties who hunted there(Moz) last year, bigger is better.

[Rick McGowan]

No rules in OZ for buff or any of the feral animals. Moz is the best bet in Africa for cape buff for trad guys. Rick

[Terry Green]

75#@28 ASC will do the job.  Getting a MO of .66 with a 945 grain arrow.  Brutal.  I'd be dang near over .70 with an 80#er.