Here is a little something I though would be relevant to your postings in this thread and "1000 grain Gold Tip".
(Original post from Bowsite.com forum, Africa, thread: Ultimate Heavy Carbon)
From: Extremist Date: 23-May-04:
24 grains per inch, BuffTuff camo finish, .002-.006 straightness, internal components, spined for 80-120lbs (70-110 w/extra heavy point), and only $90 a Dozen unfletched. "How?" you ask...Cabela's. The Outfitter shafts made by Cabela's @ 13.4 grains per inch with an inside diameter of .243 and Cabela's SST .240's @10.6 grains per inch inside. Spine testing shows somewhere around .250-.260 deflection at 28" span (standard). That puts them stiffer then Easton 2613 (stiffest made @ .268) and Gold Tip Big Game (second stiffest @ .280) with all the durability you need and all the weight you can use. My set-up: 32" arrow (750gr. apx.) with insert (13gr.) steel adapter (125gr.) and 145-190gr. glue-on broadhead. Total weight is 1033-1078. Tried 210 Steel Force (973gr.) but without the steel adapter the F.O.C. drops. Still flies like a dart though and hits like a Truck; hence the handle...
-Extremist
(100+lb draw with the fastest cams in the world)
From: FEARLESS Date: 23-May-04:
Have you consider the Grizzly shaft in your review?
Also, isn't that arrow from Cabela's just a Carbon express in Sheep's Clothing? LOL
I shoot the Carbon Express Hunters they are nice arrows.
From: stealthycat Date: 23-May-04:
old Graphlex shafts, 3" piece of aluminum epoxyed to the tip, 125 gr head ..... finished shaft of 650 grains or so, unbreakable, $2-3 each
From: Archeryhunter Date: 23-May-04:
Extremist, I found the 10.6 grains per inch SST 240's online at Cabelas for $49.99 per dozen, but the only BuffTuff arrows I found had a price of $59.99 per dozen and were 12.8 grains per inch, so may not be what you are using. Even at the higher prices, this combination is dramatically less expensive than the combination I am using. Do you glue one arrow inside the other and use the nock on the inner arrow with the insert on the outer?
At this point I am a total convert to the grizzlys with glued on screw-in adapters for broadheads even though I haven't had any bad experiences with the 210 grain Steel Force. We're also getting test results that indicate that, for a given bow, some maximum arrow weight is ultimately reached whereupon the Kinetic Energy begins to decrease rather than increase with additional weight.
From: Extremist Date: 24-May-04:
FEARLESS, I have, but for $160 a Doz and they don't spine stiff enough for my bow. It is 100+ lbs and the fastest cams in the world. The Outfitters from Cabela's ARE NOT "Carbon express in Sheep's Clothing" I also have shot the Carbon Express's and they are nice but these are not them. They weigh 12.0 gpi whereas the Outfitters are 13.4. Also different deflection and straightness (fractional).
Stealthycat, nice set-up but to weak for my bow. Also availability for me (overseas in the Military).
Archeryhunter, finally, go with the shafts only. Located on the bottom of the page as "Cabela's Shafts". I'll give you the link. Also, the 12.8 listed on the completed arrows is incorrect. I spoke with them as to the difference between the bare shafts and they finished arrows and they said it was 13.4 and should be corrected soon. Like I said earlier, the Grizzly's are too expensive and not strong enough. I absolutely agree with you on the Broadheads. As for KE, I'm getting plenty of speed so I haven't reached my pinnacle yet. You also might want to take a look at what happens with firearms as weight is increased where the KE drops off. When measured with momentum, it goes up. But there is such a thing as too much.
-Extremist
From: Extremist Date: 24-May-04:
Here's that link. They come with Nocks and Inserts. I leave the Outfitters full length and press-fit insert. I then insert the SST to butt against the insert and mark where it sticks out. I then measure back the length of the nock stem and cut to fit inside, with about 1/16" play. I then put a glob of epoxy on the back of the insert and glue it in. Slide the SST inside and glue in the nock. This method works for any length you need and really isn't that hard since you only have to set the arrow cutter up once. They look, shoot and fly like any other standard carbon. You wouldn't be able to tell it's a double-wall by looking at it...until you pick it up.
From: Extremist Date: 24-May-04:
Extremist's Supporting Link
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/standard-pod-wrapped.jhtml;jsessionid=V4IGRZWLI3BTZTQSNOECCN4OCJVYWIWE?id=0004570&navAction=push&navCount=1&indexId=cat20061&parentI d=cat20061&parentType=in&_requestid=3011 From: Ryan Rothhaar Date: 24-May-04:
OR, for us stickbowers......I'm impressed with an Axis .340 with lead solder inside. With 300 gr in the broadhead I get a 1200 grain arrow that shoots like a dart from my 76lb Widow. Slow bow, no cams, but should do the trick!
Ryan
From: Festerstixs Date: 24-May-04:
Extremist,
Why would you say the Grizzlystiks aren't strong enough?
I've shot them into solid rock and had the steel insert split the broadhead with no damage to the shaft.
From: Extremist Date: 25-May-04:
The spine. Not stiff enough for my length, draw weight and BH choice.
Ryan, good idea but I hate having something soft inside my arrows. The stiffness of carbon is what adds to the penetration and, like I said before, the spine. I need that much stiffness to spine right out of my bow. Besides, I don't want to give my game lead poisoning...just kidding.
-Extremist
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