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Offline Curveman

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2006, 01:56:00 PM »
I have gotten complete passthroughs on bear with my WW's and my 61# Border recurve. Didn't even need a bloodtrail as I saw the bear barely make it to cover 30yards away before it crashed and let out a loud death moan!
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2006, 04:47:00 PM »
I was going to use a #56 Dan Toelke Whip longbow next year on a bear hunt and was planning to use 145 gr. grizzly or older bear broadhead on a adapter, I thought that I made a good choice, after reading all of your guys stuff I do not know if I am making the best of choice for my broadhead, even though a bleeder blade could be added to my bear broadhead I was not going to mess with it because I did not want to slow the arrow down when it in the bear, I was shootin' for a complete pass through.

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #42 on: July 11, 2006, 05:01:00 PM »
Chris, I only have one bear under my belt, but I dont think penetration will be a problem with your bow weight, assuming you dont use a real light arrow. I would go with a three blade - razorcap, WW, or Snuffer SS.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2006, 12:32:00 AM »
just use a sharp ww snuffer or razorcap and make a good hit you wont have a problem.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2006, 10:51:00 AM »
I used a 61# bow and 545gr arrows. Why would I need a heavier arrow and why "bob the tips?" I noticed the tip was bent a little but I got a complete pass through and pulled the arrow out of the ground.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2006, 08:47:00 PM »
I have real doubts that my choice in bow weight would be a problem. If #56 was to light that would elimate a lot of people to be able to shoot bears with a recurve or longbow. We hear all the time people using #45-#50 all the time.

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2006, 12:01:00 PM »
As others have said, knowledge of anatomy is really important. Here is what I learned after killing and butchering a 194 lb bear last year:

1. The ribs are round in cross-section. They are about the diameter of thin pinky finger or thick pencil. In contrast, deer and elk ribs are flat but about the same thickness. Thus, there is more room between ribs on a bear, and the ribs are easier to break/cut.
2. The vitals are more forward than on a deer/elk. Keep your arrow tight behind the shoulder.
3. Bear's shoulders are very movable and not connected to the body by anything but muscle. A hit by an arrow will almost NEVER penetrate because the shoulder structures absorb the energy.
4. When you get the skin and fat off of a bear, you will be amazed at the small size of the bones and muscle structure. This means that the target is significantly smaller than it looks.
5. Bears use a ton of oxygen to fuel their muscles, but they have a lot of lung capacity. This is why they go down so quickly with double lung hits and go so long with single lung hits.

I shot mine with a 125 gr. screw-on snuffer from a 600gr arrow. I got 10" of penetration into the ground on the other side. The bear went 20 yards, and the blood trail was OK, but took 15 yards to start. Next time I'll be using a 160gr snuffer for a larger hole.

Hope this helps!
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #47 on: August 18, 2006, 03:47:00 PM »
I think that I am changing my head choice to an STOS, I have shot this head in my yard and have been able to resharpen it very easily.

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2007, 11:50:00 PM »
I have shot razorcaps for the last 3 years and I will never buy another pack of them. Great head for penetration but very very weak. Every deer I have shot with them has either broken the welds on the head or broken the ferrull. Deadly results but at $10.00 bucks a pop I can't justify it.  I will be shooting WW's this year. My practice heads actually broke as well, and that is shooting them into a block target!!
 In my opinion and experience these are a one shot wonder head!!!!
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2007, 05:24:00 AM »
Chris, a 3 bladed Snuffer cannot be beat. They are tough as nails and very easy to sharpen. Bears are thin skinned but have heavy coats. I believe 45#s will kill most any blackie with good shot placement and provide a pass thru as long as ya do not hit shoulder, just have the nastiest sharpest bh going. Shawn
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #50 on: July 16, 2007, 01:46:00 PM »
I've shot a whitetail and a bear with Razorcaps and had no structural problems.  Arrow in the dirt the other side.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2007, 05:45:00 PM »
Question; Broadhead for Black Bears....
Answer:   A Real sharp one....

sorry Norb  couldn't help myself...
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #52 on: July 16, 2007, 06:10:00 PM »
Maybe I'll get a chance to use my sharp wit on you this Sunday   :smileystooges:
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2007, 06:13:00 PM »
Very interesting...I drew a Michigan tag this fall and will be using my Savannah for this trip.  I have only been shooting traditional gear for about 5 months and have been doing well.  Maybe in my mind it's well but with almost 25 years of shooting I can learn quickly.

No I have been trying to nail down an arrow/broadhead for a while.  I have some Beman Classics MFX 500 with 125 grain heads (460 grains total) and POC with 125 gr heads (500 grains total) and 2117 with 145 gr heads (565 grains total).  

Broadheads I'm considering with the wood and Aluminum Woodsman's and with the Carbon either a Montec or NAP Hellrazor.  I even like the Grizzly heads for the POC's.  

Problem is that all three arrows fly to the same point so I don't know what to use.  I like the wood but the carbons are tough.  So I'm still deciding.

My bow is the Martin Savannah 50@ 28” that I draw to just short of 30”.  I have a Kota Kill’um on order that is going to be 47 @ 29”.  We’ll have to see how that one shoots!!!

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2007, 06:23:00 PM »
I used a 580 grain arrow with carbon shaft and 125 grain Razorcap for my bear and it was devastating. However, I was shooting a 58# bow. I would lean toward teh Beman or the 2117 set ups. I think both would penetrate better than a 500 grain POC shaft.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2007, 06:29:00 PM »
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Originally posted by beachbowhunter:
I used a 580 grain arrow with carbon shaft and 125 grain Razorcap for my bear and it was devastating. However, I was shooting a 58# bow. I would lean toward teh Beman or the 2117 set ups. I think both would penetrate better than a 500 grain POC shaft.
What carbon shaft did you use to get 580 grains?  Did you tube it?

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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2007, 06:38:00 PM »
Carbon Express Terminator Hunter 45-60, cut to 29.5", 100 grain brass insert, 125 grain Razorcap, cap wrap and 3 5" shield feathers. Total weight was 580 on the button. These would be too stiff for your bow but I bet you could use the CE Heritage 150s, they spine slightly stiffer than the Beman 500s so you could put 200 - 250 grains or so on the end.
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Re: Broadheads for Black Bear?
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2007, 08:50:00 PM »
hey,Norbie.good to see you around the place again!
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