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Offline JavelinaHink

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Giant Peltz
« on: February 19, 2009, 09:05:00 PM »
Has anyone have any info on this Giant Peltz...this was found with the reg. size Peltz and the Package they where sold in. Made in Kalamazoo, Mi.1952....alot of great things happened that year!  :archer:me  
 
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 12:35:00 AM »
Bill – Great Find !!!   Boy that is really a Giant Peltz !!!

Neat box too !!!

I wish Floyd Eccleston were still alive to be able to see that rare Michigan broadhead. He loved Michigan broadheads, especially rare ones. I know he would be as impressed as I am.

The blade illustrated in Henry Peltz's Patent is true to size for the small blade, which can be seen from the stepped slot depth.

In re-reading the patent text this evening for this head in "Patents for Broadheads 1871-1971" there is no mention of its size, this of course is typical of most patents. There is also no mentioned of different sizes of blades.

However, in his Patent "Claim 1." Peltz mentions “A combination target, field and hunting arrow”, so his patent was actually granted for an arrow with a removable blade. It certainly makes sense that he also might have thought of different size blades after the patent application, or simply did not include different sizes in the application.

Guess until just now, I never really thought much about the Peltz being a simplified interchangeable arrow, but that is really what Henry intended it to be. Sort of the poor man’s 1936 Krieger Interchangeable or 1940 Chandler Interchangeable.

The Peltz has always been a legitimately rare broadhead. At the time of the last printing of “Broadheads 1871-1971 Identification and Rarity Guide" in 2004, fewer than a dozen total known, for the two different ferrule types, That is rare !!!

As always, let me know if I can help in any way with any research that you may want to pursue about Henry Peltz, his patent, or his broadheads.

Still lots to learn, and so little time...
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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 08:25:00 AM »
I gotta say that is a neat looking broadhead.I have never seen that type before thank you Bill...bd

Offline JavelinaHink

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 09:09:00 AM »
Wade....I was reading the Patent over and it states
" Utilizing a common field arrow to further illustrate the invention." So  what I read into that he was really just patenting the blade to be used on target or field points.
And being a Michigan head makes it sweet...its just nice to rub between your fingers...nice and smooth...I got to go take a cold shower.
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2009, 09:15:00 AM »
Bill - Yes, you are reading it correctly.

But don't forget that he also states, the target of field point is slotted to accept the blade...

So as he states in Claim 1. he has invented a...

“A combination target, field and hunting arrow”
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Offline JavelinaHink

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2009, 09:21:00 AM »
Wade....So is he stating that archers can use there own target/field points and slot them to except his blade?  I think that is what he is saying in his patent
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 12:28:00 AM »
Bill - The only part of the Patent text that is actually the Patent that the US Patent office grants is that text in the Claims... in this case there are two Claims. The Claim 1. starts on column 4, line 38. Claim 2. starts on Column 5 line 13. All the texts that precedes the Claims is simply introductory information.

The purpose of a patent is to grant the pantent holder the exclusive rights to manufacture the patented product for a specific number of yeas.

Peltz was granted the patent on his combination target, field and hunting arrow. What he actually sold was up to him, but no one else could sell any part of any products covered under his patent, without his permission.

He may have very well sold loose blades as well as finished broadheads. That would certainly explain the blades without ferrules that you show in the photographs.

Frankly, I don't know what Peltz intended to do beyond what his Patent Claims state.

Regardless of what his intentions, his patent never proved to be a fruitful venture.

Evidence of this is the fact that fewer than a dozen Peltz were known to exist up until your recent find.
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 03:42:00 PM »
Bill - Meant to ask what the text said on the package. Also the package looks like just the base to hold the blades of the heads. Was there a cover for the base?

Never heard of any packaging for the Peltz before you posted this photograph.
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Offline JavelinaHink

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 06:14:00 PM »
Wade....That's all I have in packaging on the Peltz

Text on package reads "DIRECTIONS  BE SURE END OF SHAFT IS BOTTOMED IN TARGET HEAD Pat.No.2686055 "

That's the same number as in the book "Patents for Broadheads 1871-1971 "
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Offline Wade Phillips

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2009, 10:30:00 PM »
Bill - Thanks for typing out the Peltz package text. Cool little package. Even cooler heads.

You should send that photograph in for use on the cover of the next Newsletter.

Finds like that just don't happen very often.
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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 09:20:00 AM »
Wade....good idea, would I send it to Ed ?
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Offline d. ward

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2009, 03:59:00 PM »
Ok so as we get a little older we should be getting smarter right ? I feel Bill has made me a smarter man because now I know what a Feltz Giant looks like.Thanks Bill.
However in makeing me a smarter man you also make me a sad man a very sad man I might add.
Or I guess you could say maybe you made me to smart.
The last 3-4 years I was thinking I had this super idea for a broadhead.It was a frield tip you could pratice with,Then you just snapped your blade into place and away you went.Somewhat like the Feltz looks to me....here's a later version of the Feltz called the bowdoc is no more....bd    

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Re: Giant Peltz
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 08:17:00 PM »
Don....idea's keep recycleing in time, your's might catch a certain market, look they brought back the mechanical heads (Red Rover-Star Point 1953) was one of the first ones and look how there doing.

You will have to find alot of Blackhawk Rocketeer blades or have some cut though if your to continue with your venture.

If you have one of your models for trade I would like to add one to the traveling display, Don thanks for posting your style BH....Bill
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