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Author Topic: Trad Expo West  (Read 394 times)

Offline tomh

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Trad Expo West
« on: December 05, 2007, 06:26:00 AM »
Did anyone go this year? How was it? I am thinking of driving down for 08 expo.
I had one bowyer tell me it was a waste of his time and he was not going to display again.
Any comments good or bad would be appreciated. It is about an 8 hour drive, and I am really wanting to test drive some different bows.

Offline aromakr

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 10:37:00 AM »
tom:
I'm not going this year, it was a waste of my time, The Expo people are not adverising outside the greater Boise area, I have a feeling a lot of vendors will stay home.
Bob
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Offline Blackhawk

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 10:59:00 AM »
Yep, a waste of time if you have an 8 hr. drive, and I am staying home this year.
Lon Scott

Offline tomh

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 11:07:00 AM »
thanks guys. you saved me a long drive for nothing. too bad, i was looking forward to it.
anyone know of any other northwest events?

Offline Basic Instinct

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 07:57:00 PM »
I went a couple times when it was in Ontario Oregon.  Shot enough bows I still feel my fingers hurting. I had a fantastic time. But I heard when it moved to Boise, It lost a lot of what it used to have. Not sure what is different, I was thinking on going myself, but if not very good anymore I might pass as well.
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Offline Traxx

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 10:04:00 PM »
I liked it better in Ontario too.
Target archery is seeing how far away you can get and still hit the bull's eye. Bowhunting is seeing how close you can get and never miss your mark.

Offline JBiorn

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 10:28:00 PM »
I went year before last and had a great time! I was planning on attending this year--but if the vendors cut back---what fun is that?

Offline Roadkill

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 10:53:00 PM »
It was better in Ontario for sure.  the whole palce catered to us, and we're just a side show in a tent at Bosie.  not going this coming year.
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Offline tomh

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 03:16:00 AM »
Side show in a circus tent was exactly how the bowyer described it to me. He said many guys were not coming back. To bad, it could have been a nice thing.
Maybe they will make some changes if no one shows up, or move it to a better venue next year, and do some proper promotion.

Offline elk ninja

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 10:01:00 AM »
I am going, but I live here and it's free.... yes it was lacking luster last year, but there are two reasons, one it was a last minute thing, and this was because Ontario nearly doubled their prices.  So that left Traditional Bowhunter scrambling and they lined up the venue last minute.  This put some bowyers off.  For what reason I don't know, but the rights to the show were also sold to Spectra Productions, a local production company.  This hasn't been good.  I think that if they can get enough vendors it will flourish again, but this year might be a down year, which is a shame, it is a highlight of my year.  Lots of bows to shoot, lots of fellas to meet, lots of fun.  But it was much better in Ontario.  If you have an 8 hour drive, you'd better combine it with something else.
Mike
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Offline JBiorn

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 04:44:00 PM »
I'll probably go, considering its close to me. What are the dates?

Offline Larry O. Fischer

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 06:39:00 PM »
Maybe I should chime in before this thread gets out of control.
The Traditional Bowhunters Expo West is an offshoot of Great Northern's Expo in Michigan. After a couple of successful years Jerry and Rick came west looking for a place to hold a similar Expo. They looked from Montana through Idaho, trying to keep it in a central location, finally locating the Four Rivers Cultural Center in Ontario, Oregon. After running the show for two years they came to the realization that the costs of long distance management was just too expensive, especially since Jerry does not fly.
They approached us at Traditional Bowhunter about keeping the Expo alive and we purchased the entire rights from them. Not because we felt it was a great money maker, but because we believe that traditional archery needs to be promoted if it is to grow, and the Expo was a perfect venue to promote our great sport.
The problem with Ontario is that there is not a large local base to draw from and even with the excellent speakers that we brought in every year attendance was stagnant and even in the best year attendance was no more around than 1500 folks.
After the 2005 Expo many of the remaining exhibitors, we had continued to loose a few each year, told me that they would not be returning unless we could bring more people through the gates.We began a renewed search for a venue in and around the Boise area. Remember we are publishers first and show promoters a distant second. After finding nothing that would work and being turned aside by the only hotel in the area that would work, we approached Specta Productions, a local show producers about somehow piggybacking on to their successful Sports Show.
Remember the Expo for us was first and foremost about promotion of traditional archery. After several lengthy discussion and many months, at the last minute, Spectra offered to take on the Expo and agreed to give it is own identity, which was important to promote our sport to the general public. Thus we here at Traditional Bowhunter gave up the show promotion business and became a vendor once again. We knew that the show was very "last minute" in 2006 but believed that all who attended could see the potential of being able to reach 18,000+ people and that by working together as vendors we could build something special in Boise.
 We had a few rough spots in 2006, but Spectra will correct those, however we as vendors cannot rely on Spectra to make the sale for us.
With that being said the returning vendors have recognized that it is up to us to improve the show. So we have taken it upon ourselves to offer seminars,  within the tent area, specific to traditional archery.  Additionally we at Traditional Bowhunter Magazine  will be hosting David Petersen, Donnall Thomas Jr. and TJ Conrads all weekend long for book signing in our booth.
As a vendor we can only ask for a clean and dry booth space, and a crowd to sell our wares too. This is what Spectra Productions delivers.
We as vendors must be responsible for holding and attracting our cliental and ultimately closing the sale.
So I encourage all of you westerners interested in traditional archery to plan on attending and please contact myself 208-853-0555 [email protected] or Dave Doran 541-388-8400  [email protected] if you have a suggestion on what type of seminars you would like to attend during your visit. And please encourage as many bowyers, arrowsmiths, and traditional archery suppliers to attend. Where else can you shoot so many bows and meet so many suppliers in one place west of the Mississippi.  It would be travesty to let the Expo disappear, forever.

Offline Roadkill

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 08:12:00 PM »
Larry, seminars were important, but the vendors were why I drove up from Reno.  I bought all my shafts, fletching, paint, nocks and points for the year there.  I shot all the bows and even bought one of Allen Boice's beauties based on the Ontario test drive.  Last year we expected most of that and more considering the added venue.  If the vendors are back and the shooting lanes are ready for volume, we may come back.  That tent arrangement, poor lighting, humid conditions and no circulation space left many of us cold.  Last week we were in the local archery shop and the trad shooters discussed going.  Not a lot of interest, and I was the one who brought many of these folks up for their first time. We realize you and TJ were along for the ride at that point.  One of the things we thought could make it better was to have a nearby area set up to camp, a place where we could pitch a tent/trailer, build a fire, shoot some shafts and some bull at day's end.  Truly a gathering spot for the trad archers to gather and intermingle after a day of buying and seeing bows and archery products.  WE agree to lose this event would be a trad-a-gy.  Just seemed we were spending a lot on gas without the excitement of previous years. I'd love to see it go back at least to what it was in Ontario, anything in addition (Spectra Productions) would be gravy.....
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Offline Roadkill

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2007, 08:16:00 PM »
I forgot to add my heartfelt thanks to you, Larry, and TJ and all the vendors for such fine work.  I scheduled my Spring around Ontario and hope Spectra can do something with such a great event.  I loved every minute of my times in Ontario.
Cast a long shadow-you may provide shade to someone who needs it.  Semper Fi

Offline Dave2old

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 08:20:00 PM »
Thanks Larry and Ninja. I attended the Expo last year in Boise, and the year before at Ontario, and like most of you, I preferred Ontario -- not the town, but the overall flavor of the event and facility. But Larry, typically, is being overly modest when he says the Expo has never been about making money for TBM. Truth is, as I've heard it from reliable sources, they've always lost money and have underwritten it as just another way to support and grow traditional bowhunting. With the Ontario price hike, it simply became impossible. So, we had last year's perceived "lesser" Expo ... but ain't that way better than the end of this great tradition? As I say, I was there as a "vendor" with two booths. Yes, the first night the idiots who ran the place hadn't checked the propane tanks and it was damn cold. After that the heat was fine. And yes, the lighting was not the best, so that vendors of archery art could not show off their work to best advantage. And yes, although there was a huge pass-through audience of people from the big event next door, most of them looked (a) confused, (b) embarrassed (yes!), and/or (c) "dilligas" (a military acronym you can figure out for yourself). In sum, I don't they the increased audience translated to increased sales for vendors. It costs vendors money to come to these gigs and most are happy just to break even and cover costs and meet folks and get the word about about their products. So their disenchantment is understandable.

Ah, but on the other side of the coin ... man, what a wonderfull blast of satisfaction it was to leave the tent with its low light and green grass floor and general quietness (all so fitting for traditional bowhunters) and walk over to the big ID sports show which was dominated by ATVs and losers trying to sell canned hunts to other losers who wish they could be like us but know they never can. Fake bugles and gobbles magnified to headachy levels ... all just to get access to the toilet and buy a hotdog and coke. Then you walk back into the Trad Expo tent and feel like you're home again! We knew it. They knew it. It felt damn good to me.

The production folks have acknowledged the heat and light problems and promised to cure them, and also to provide more and better signage to direct folks to our quiet little corner of the big ugly loud world. I will be there again with both of my booths, and I hope other vendors will support TBM through this tough phase so that they and we can look forward eventually to once again having our own gig in better surroundings. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, and I much look forward to talking to all of you there, shooting new bows, drooling over all the lovely arrows and quivers and other archery art I can never afford. This is a big deal in my year. If you can't justify it ... understood. But please don't turn others away from coming. We few, we proud and brave few, will live to tell of these hard times, and you will want to be among us. (And yes, it's happy hour here). Cheers, dave

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Offline tomh

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2007, 01:44:00 AM »
I want to thank Dave and Larry for chiming in on this subject.

Dave I liked Heartsblood, and am looking forward to the chance to say hi.

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Offline wahoo

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 02:46:00 PM »
I'm in with Dave. The last time I went was when it was at the Catholic school. Larry would have to tell you when that was. Long story short I was happy when I read it was back in Boise so I went. I had a great time , met my hero D.Peterson got to say hello to everyone at TBM and was able to talk to all the bowyers that have made me bows and hopefully someday the ones that will.I also enjoyed being in the tent with the grass floor, kinda had that cool feeling.I am going back it's a 5hr drive for me if the rds are good. I'll be the guy shooting that pretty Owl bow. Hope to see you there.

Offline shawn

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2007, 09:58:00 PM »
I will be there in 2008. I am hoping that they will have the bow building seminar this year. It was very disappointing that it was cancelled last year.

If they have a place for camping/campers next year, I would gladly drop off my 20'tailer for some out of towners to use to help them save some money on lodging and meals. If camping is not available, you could always use it at my place.

I met a lot of great folks last year. I hope to see them in '08 and look forward to meeting some new friends.

Shawn

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2007, 10:05:00 PM »
I really want to see a bow building seminar, too! I have been looking forward to it.

Offline Larry O. Fischer

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Re: Trad Expo West
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2007, 01:07:00 AM »
Do to the fact that we are just participants, I would suggest that you contact John Strunk about a bow building seminar. If he has enough interest, I'm sure he would be happy to have a class. John can be reached at (503) 842-4944.
There is a campground adjacent to the fairgrounds on the Northside along the river. Within walking distance.

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