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What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« on: October 03, 2012, 11:45:00 PM »
I am not an authority by any means, nor do I claim to be one.  But let me throw some thoughts at you.    There have been many discussions about the “White glass” “sunken bellied” Kodiaks as being either late 57 or early 58 due to the “sunken belly, (57 form)”, and the “white glass, (58 color).  The argument has been fueled in part by the 1958 catalog showing an illustration of a strung view of the “sow Belly” Kodiak and an illustration of an unstrung view showing a “sunken belly” Kodiak.  I believe neither the 1958 catalog’s “unstrung” illustration, nor the presence of “White’ glass to be evidence of the 1957 form being used to build “sunken belly” early 1958 model Kodiaks.  My reasons for this belief are:
1.   The unstrung Kodiak Special illustration in the 1957 catalog is wrong.  The illustration appears to be that of the 1957 Kodiak, (sunken belly, also no chevron, and clearly wrong sight window for the Kodiak Special).  
2.   The unstrung illustration of the 1957 Kodiak is wrong it appears to be a “LH” bow with “sow Belly”.  All the illustrations of the “single shelf” bows in the 1956, 1957, and 1958 catalogs are of Right hand bows.    The 1957 Kodiak unstrung illustration when mirrored superimposes perfectly over the 1955 & 1956 Kodiak Special unstrung illustrations,( remember the 55 & 56 Kodiak Specials could be termed as being “sow belly and has no chevron), and I believe is the same illustration reused and turned to be consistent with the appearances in the 1957 catalog.
3.   The unstrung illustration of the 1958 Kodiak in the 1958 catalog, when superimposed over, matches the illustration used for the unstrung 1957 Kodiak Special in the 1957 catalog,(reference #1 above), and I believe is the same illustration reused.
4.   The Kodiaks I have seen built on the “1957 form” have white silk-screening, regardless of glass color; whereas the Kodiaks built on the “1958 form” have dark silk-screening.
5.   The Kodiaks built on the 57 form have serial numbers beginning with “D” or “E’ up to and including “ED”; whereas the 58 Kodiaks have serial numbers beginning with “EE” and continuing on.

From what I have read it was common for the glass to remain the same through multiple design changes and model years. There were also times when the change in the glass color was considered the differentiating characteristic which signified a new model and was given the designation as the next years model.  It is also evident there are models for multiple years during which neither the glass nor the design changed.  There are also multiple examples of “experimental” or “transitional” bows which embody features of both the preceding model design and the new “next generation” model design.  However, whenever a design change to a model was introduced by its inclusion and illustration in the next years catalog, the design became known as the year model of its inclusion in the catalog, and the older model’s designation ended with the previous year.
So, given the first appearance of the “sow belly” Kodiak form in the 1958 catalog, the discrepancies in the 57 & 58 catalog’ unstrung illustrations, the differences in silk-screen color, and the differences in serial number sequence; is it possible to conclude that all the Kodiaks built on the “57 form” are and should be considered 1957 model bows, regardless of the color glass.   That being said, is it also possible a case could be made for the “Brown glass” 57s with serial numbers beginning with “D” as early model yr production and the “white glass” 57s with serial numbers beginning with “E” as late model yr production.  or, could a case even be made for a designation of the white glass 57s with serial numbers beginning with “E” being given the designation of 1957 ½.
The history of Bear archery is also a history of innovation, and this tendency of innovation appeared to always move forward, not backward.   I could be wrong, but I have not read or seen any evidence to prove the older 57 Kodiak form was still being used at the same time as or after the introduction of 1958 sow belly form.  Nor do I recall any other model year designation where examples of the use of older model forms popped up.
These are just my opinions and observations.  And I welcome any and all discussion and dialog which can substantiate or refute my statement of the Kodiak model line having a definitive model change from the sunken belly model 1957 to the “sow belly” model 1958

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 05:33:00 PM »
Bruce,

If this helps clarify anything, my "58" has white glass on both sides and the # is EH176.

What I noticed is, on the 57's, the shelf is tiny/thin. Almost more like the double shelf bows. On my "58", or what I always thought was a '58, the shelf is huge coming in at 3/4".

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 10:13:00 PM »
Glass color, wood configuration i.e. maple site window vs purpleheart, coin, serial number, overlays, silk screen, decals, are never the definitive answer when dating at Bear Bow. In most cases a combination of this information will get you in the ball park. However, it is the form that it was built on the determines the year it is classified. Regardless of the actual "born on" date. That is the only characteristic of each year class that is invariable. You are correct Pack in your conclusion.
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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2012, 09:10:00 AM »
Thanks Bob
Can you upload a picture of your bow?  preferably arrow rest side view.

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2012, 12:34:00 PM »
Hope these help. This bow was refinished, but everything was done the same except I put on a different strike plate and rug. Bob York made a nice strike plate for me and I think it really looks great on the '58. The decals are the same color as original.

     

     

     

     

     

     

Next to a couple refinished '62 Kodiak Specials...
 

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2012, 02:47:00 PM »
Thanks Bob, and your bow is definitely what I understand to be a 1958,(notice the belly protruding towards the shooter and the rounding at the top of the sight window). concerning the width of the rest; the 58 catalog does refer to it as "Center shot window". Just for grins and giggles; I'd measure and see if it truly is to the center.

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2012, 07:34:00 AM »
I have 2 white glass "58" Kodiaks, both have the "sow belly" and the center shot sight window. One is a 60" serial #EL 240. This bow shelf has a slight radius and dark red silkscreens on the belly side of the limbs.

The second bow is a 64 incher serial # EJ 474 with a perfectly flat shelf and off white silk screens, the patent silk screen is on the belly side and the Kodiak screen is on the back.  

 

 


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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 12:07:00 PM »
Thanks Bob I've added your to the list

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 08:25:00 PM »
Mine is like the pictures above. The serial number starts with EL, has white glass front and back and the silk screens are brown. I got two at the same time, both 58's.

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Re: What model year is the "White glass" Kodiak
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 02:55:00 PM »
Bud Gray’s ’58 Kodiak  is shown here with his heavy weight Polar, which I suspect is from a few years earlier.    I remember I was  thrilled when I learned it was coming to me, as I had hoped it was the dark limbed one he took his Dall Ram with on the Little Delta hunt(p. 205, Bows on the Little Delta).   Kind of a disappointment when it arrived and it was a beautiful white glass one!   Not exactly pristine, it had been shot….and I tried it out myself too!  But, it was obviously not the same bow he used on the ram.  I had visited him a few times at his office on the Whirlpool campus, in the building named after him, but this bow came to me after his death and I couldn’t ask him about it!  
The third bow is just another ’58, a wonderful shooter, redone by Bowdoc.  
 

 
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