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Offline Gun

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Bear Lunchbox specials
« on: April 05, 2015, 11:02:00 PM »
I've heard about these for a long time but have only seen one or two poorly posted pix. Does anyone have some? Specifically Bear TD's is what I'm curious about.
There was one posted on another site about a year ago or so but you couldn't see much detail.
There must be some of you collector types that would know or better, show.
Also where have all the old timers gone from this site. Someone PM me with some info.
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2015, 11:13:00 AM »
I do not know if it's a lunchbox special, but Big Jim had a very few (only 10 or so) bubinga TD's with the red accent (instead of white) around the edge of the riser. I got one and like it.  I think this was simply a mistake caught early on and not a unique bow made up during lunch time or after hours by an enterprising employee.

One of the most unique of Bear bows in my opinion was a Tamerlane with those Bill Stewart multi-cam limbs.  Bill was Fred's chief bowyer/designer for years who later went out on his own making bows with that design.  

It is said the Fred ordered the bows destroyed with those "ugly" limbs, and Bill could never convince him how good they were.  

I've met Bill at his shop in Yakima, WA and know what a cantakerous and stubborn genius he was.  I can only imagine Bill's thoughts of his boss.
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2015, 11:19:00 AM »
Hey Gun...not as old a timer as you are with that 3 digit member # but I am still around...unfortunately I know very little about the takedowns

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2015, 11:24:00 AM »
Some may consider those Bear TD's with the longbow limbs as lunchbox specials.  Those who have shot them have other descriptions for them...and since this is a family site, I cannot repeat what was said or written.   :rolleyes:
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2015, 11:02:00 AM »
Gun all the Bear collectors do show up on occasion...Wade Phillips in particular does not come around anywhere as often as he used to and my guess is he would have as many pics as anyone...hang in there and he will show up eventually

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2015, 07:45:00 PM »
There was a pretty cool one that sold here about a year or so ago. It was a B mag TD and limbs made in Gainesville in the 80s with spare parts finished with 80s style factory camo - in lefty.

... Went for $650, I think. Wish I would have bought it. I will see if I still have PMs with pics of it.

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2015, 12:48:00 PM »
thread from march 2014 on lw about this
http:   //***********.bowsite.com/TF/lw/thread2.cfm?threadid=257865&category=88#3585877

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2015, 12:48:00 PM »
added spaces to break link

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2015, 01:27:00 AM »
Robert -

Enjoyed browsing the link that you provided of the 1968 Super Kodiak, with no riser overlays, and non-factory serial number R1968R, which presented a mystery to the present owner and prompted him to create the thread as to the bow's origin.

Especially enjoyed Lonnie's late post on that thread stating that the bow was a former "rescue mission" of his and that the two "R"s in the serial number represented his handle "Recycled Recurves".

Gun -

Robert's example is clearly one of many false examples that have been purported to be "Lunch Box Specials", that later prove to be factory bows that have after market non-factory alterations.

Knowing the actual history of the individual bow and its ownership lineage are the only ways to conclusively prove that a bow is in fact a legitimate "Lunch Box Special".

Many of us who worked in a large factory environment for years during the middle of the 20th century, know first hand that a lot items make it out of company buildings that are non-standard production items.

The finest examples of such items that I have witnessed were incredible custom made hunting knives that were produced by toolmakers on company time. Knife Making had nothing to do with the company business and most of the items produced were made without the knowledge of any management personnel. Unfortunately, I never owned any of those knives, but do have a couple of broadheads that originated in the tool maker's area.

While most knives and broadheads will fit in most lunch boxes, most bows will not, including most Bear Take Down Handles...

This photograph clearly shows, a truly legitimate "Lunch Box Special" (the bottom bow in the image). It is a 1969 Pre-Production  Walnut/Black Stripe Bear Take Down Handle (1 of 5), and does not even come close to fitting in my "Davey Crockett" lunch box, that I still have from my grade school days... (granted much larger lunch boxes are in existence)

                     

Yes, the photographs of Fred, just above my "Davey Crockett" lunch box, shows Fred with his left hand Pre-Production Walnut Black Stripe Handle... While Fred's wasn't a "Lunch Box Special", the one in the display case is one...

If one defines "Lunch Box Special" as being a Bear Take Down Handle, the one in the case is quite possibly the first ever Bear "Lunch Box Special" as its 1969 date precedes the production of Bear's well known Take Downs.

While I personally don't put much store in the term "Lunch Box Special", (for a number of reasons), it is obvious that the term means different things to many collectors at all levels of interest from the neophyte to the most serious.
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2015, 10:56:00 PM »
I couldn't get the link to work Robert.

Thanks Wade.I thot they were a bit more common as I've heard about them for a long time.

I understand the principle behind the LB special. As a machinist I've been guilty of  doing a bit of "Government" work myself from time to time.

I think a year ago or so someone over on LW mentioned two for sale. One with phenolic. There were no pictures tho.

Lon, I think the longbow limbs were a production run of sorts but failed.
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2016, 01:06:00 PM »
Not sure, if this bow is real "lunchbox", but it seems to be quite unusual at least :-) I got it at "big site" some time ago ...

Bear Grizzly, mid 70, AMO 58", no identification other than the handwritten 58# draw weight behind the strike plate - no silk logos, Grizzly or Bear .. nothing like that

 

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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2016, 09:04:00 PM »
Now Twitko...that IS unusual...
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2016, 07:54:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Twitko:
Not sure, if this bow is real "lunchbox", but it seems to be quite unusual at least :-) I got it at "big site" some time ago ...

Bear Grizzly, mid 70, AMO 58", no identification other than the handwritten 58# draw weight behind the strike plate - no silk logos, Grizzly or Bear .. nothing like that

   
So what makes you think that is a Bear bow then
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 04:35:00 AM »
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So what makes you think that is a Bear bow then  
Well, good question :-) I see two reasons :

firstly - it's description provided by seller "This is a very rare mid-70's  Bear Grizzly Recurve. It is a one of a kind item that surely was  a "Lunch Box Special" built by a Bear Archery employee after hours" ... Of course, he could be wrong, or just lying .. :-)

secondly - this bow is identical to another mid 70 Grizzly, I have in my collection already (as far as I can see) - shape, size, limbs, etc. (except colors, of course). And in spite of the fact, this bow may look weird on photos, it's real beauty in reality ...

Thus, either it's a real Bear Grizzly, made at company by employee, just with unusual glass and tips color. Or somebody else made _identical_ copy of Grizzly on his own, and then decided to use this quite crazy color pattern. Honestly, first option just sounds more logical for me ...


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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2016, 07:21:00 AM »
I find the Grizzly look a like to be quite interesting.  The major thing that makes me think that it may be the real deal is the handwritten weight where the strike plate goes.  That handwriting and the paint pencil used to put it on looks very familiar to me.  That doesn't prove anything, I know.

We all know that some orange glass was manufactured for the 1959 and 1960 Alaskan so there very well could have been some of the old glass tucked away in storage.  I am leaning towards prototype more than lunch box special.  Either way, that is a flashy bow and I like it.
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Re: Bear Lunchbox specials
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2016, 03:23:00 PM »
That is very unique, and to me, a very collectible bow regardless of any professional collector's opinion.
Just the fact it is a 'one-off' with the glass color gets my motor running.
Nice score. Hang on to that gem!
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