Africa!


Contribute to Trad Gang
Become a Trad Gang Sponsor






Author Topic: Which broadhead to use?  (Read 4340 times)

Offline Ray Hammond

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 5824
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2005, 10:57:00 PM »
I hunt hogs twelve months a year- I've shot easily more than 100 of them- friends I take with me have taken at least the same amount.

I hunt exclusively with Grizzly broadheads now. I've used a lot of different broadheads- two blade, three blade, different weights and length to width ratios.

Though I am still PLANNING a trip to Africa-  hogs are an old world species and as such are similar to African game in that their vitals are well forward of what we think of as the sweet spot on deer - add to that the fact that they are heavily covered in gristle over the vitals in the case of boars and ALL of them have lots of fat to plug up wounds and they are a true test for any broadhead.

All that said, I believe that close shots using heavy (relative to your bow weight of course) arrows tipped with well-sharpened whatever broadhead you use, and putting the arrow in the proper location MAKES any reasonable broadhead a winner.

The sharpest thing I have ever encountered in this life was a set of woodworking chisels that belonged to my grandfather. He was a hobby cabinetmaker...and those things could cut you if you just looked at them wrong- and they held their edges for so long- I watched him use them for hours without so much as touching them up.

The man knew how to sharpen everything- but those chisels could cut away the hardest hardwood with such ease, and though his pocketknives and kitchen gadgets were sharp as tacks, the chisels were MEAN and I always remembered that.

Then when I ran into the Grizzly, and the fact that it sharpens EXACTLY like a chisel or lawnmower blade I felt that this would be a head that I could learn to sharpen that would RETAIN an edge better- and work through problematical shots for me when they occured, and because of their toughness do the best job possible with the least chance for failure.

Sure, you don't NEED that much broadhead on deer size game...but my thoughts have always led me to plan for the WORST possible outcome in a shooting situation- ie- if I did hit the shoulder bone square on, what would I want on the end of my arrow?-and then if that doesnt happen- if everything works perfectly- the equipment 'overkill' still gets the job done splendidly.

Admittedly, I do not 'stretch' my effective range- I usually get stuff at impossible to miss ranges- I took a 22 yard shot in Wyoming in September and I think thats the longest shot I have taken in many years! Shot the mule deer twice and both shots were pass throughs..he never got out of his bed!

The Grizzly was the ONLY broadhead that got through the Natal Study Dr Ed Ashby conducted during the 80's using set up freshly killed carcasses and putting lots of broadheads through their paces- all the heads he tested failed at least once if my recollection is correct EXCEPT the Grizzly- further studies are being done now in Australia and there may be other heads that work as well or better but in my mind I am shooting the best broadhead I can put on my shafts.

Thats important- YOU must feel that confident about your arrows- they are the only part of your equipment that reaches out and touches your quarry and you must believe 100% that its going to do the job. Experiment, practice, and believe that what you shoot is going to do the job when EVERYTHING goes wrong and you will be doing the best you can do!
“Courageous, untroubled, mocking and violent-that is what Wisdom wants us to be. Wisdom is a woman, and loves only a warrior.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

Offline Mike Taylor

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 9
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2005, 02:51:00 PM »
This is just to piss Paul off, but I shot 160 grain Snuffers in Africa this August and was 7 for 7 with incredible blood trails and exit wounds.  70# @ 31.5"  If I were to shoot two blades like some of you I would shoot the wide Magnus as well.  Just figured I would ruin a perfectly good post.
Mike Taylor

Offline 8th Dwarf

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 422
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2005, 09:00:00 PM »
Considering I taught you everything you know about bowhunting...and I had to climb a bloody ladder to do it, I would think you would show more respect, young man!  

You just got lucky, that's all, Mike!

To piss you off...I'm hunting Whitetails in Iowa right now.  What are YOU doing?  Selling insurance?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Too F. Short
Too Short  or Too F. Short

Offline Mike Taylor

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 9
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
Must be nice to be so cool!  I'm geeking out selling insurance to non-bowhunters and carrying rattling antlers in my truck to jam out after work to sit stand and get ran over by pumpkin rifle hunters on public land.

Offline 8th Dwarf

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 422
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2005, 07:00:00 PM »
Rattled in six this morning.  Three came at the same time and two of 'em got in a good fight right in front of my stand.  Nothing over 140"...bummer!

Cheers, Mike!
Too Short  or Too F. Short

Offline Feral Donkey

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 5
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2005, 04:03:00 PM »
I've got 2 blade 125 gr. Magnus Stingers.  They came in the package dull.  I'm used to sharpening my old Case pocketknife that's made from high carbon steel. In 2 minutes with an Arkansas stone I can make it razor sharp.  Now I try to sharpen these stingers and it's like the steel is made of cheese.  I can't get an edge on them that I'm satisfied with.  I knew I should have gone with the regular Magnus 2 blades.  I like the idea of a replacable main blade.  That's what sold me.  The milk steel is unselling me in a big way.  What's with this crappy stainless?  Are they affrad that the deer didn't get it's tetinus shot or something?

How do I get an edge on these?  I think I'll just use them on deer and rabits.  I'll get some regular Magnus 2 blades for going to Africa with.

Offline robk

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 42
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2005, 04:26:00 PM »
hard to turn down a magnus for big game or any game for that matter. if your shooting wood arrows i would definately say either the two blade or 4 blade will do the trick and will make you smile and practice that vital hit and your in
rob k
acf
uffda
zona bow staff
magnus broadheads

Offline bayoulongbowman

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 3765
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
Nothing like razor sharp MODOC! its real 3:1 ratio cut on impact 2 blade, 50 rockwell spring steel!!  :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
"If you're living your life as if there is no GOD, you had  better be right!"

Offline Brian Krebs

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 2117
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2006, 02:33:00 AM »
First off I think the best of the broadheads are those that you can sharpen. I know that most of us here are probably pretty good at sharpening; but the worst broadhead is a dull one. I love sharpening zwickey 2 blades. If I run into a flock of grouse when I am elk hunting; I can resharpen the zwickeys quickly. I use a file.
 Way too many times I have seen people dabble in bowhunting and get upset at lost game. When I ask them if they knew for sure the arrow shot straight with the broadhead they had on; they too often say that they shot it to test it.
 And too many times they did not resharpen it.
Then too- I have checked the sharpness of fellow bowhunters broadheads while afield; and found the heads to be dull...
 There is a myth that you don't have to sharpen blades after shooting them just a 'couple times'.
 Heck; I check my broadheads to make sure rust or something like incidental contact; has not dulled them.
 I have shot magnus heads; I liked them; but I like zwickey 2 blades more. Thats out of habit and perhaps my personal tradition.
 I have tried this year using 4 blade zwickeys; although I don't consider them to be a 'real' 4 blade head.
 I had excellent penetration on the deer and the elk I shot with them; and yet- I will be the first to admit they are really- really- hard to sharpen.
 I have not used the grizzly head; but I do have a knife someone gave me that I thought was a real joke. Its a chinese 2 1/2 inch blade; half of which is like a grizzly head; with the one side flat; the other tapered to the edge.
 The back half of the blade is serrated.
I process game; and I have noticed the ability of the chisel part of the blade of that knife to do more cutting without sharpening than a traditional edged knife.
 I can saw through a pelvis; or a rib cage with the thing; even on elk; with relative ease.
 I have sharpened both parts of the knife a couple times- but it really holds an edge.
 Sharp. If you cannot make them sharp; they won't cut; and that is the basic way the broadhead works.
 I don't know how if you spin test a broadhead if you take off the point to a flat edge. I have a habit of spin testing my arrows to make sure the head is on straight before I resharpen.
 How do you spin test without the tip on the broadhead?
 I doubt I will ever go to Africa; but if there is small game there to shoot - I can't see me not shooting at them.. and that will mean field sharpening.
 Like I say- the ability to sharpen and resharpen a head is a huge factor. HUGE.
 How do modocs and others do in that department?
What sharpening method do you suggest to others?
THE VOICES HAVEN'T BOTHERED ME SINCE I STARTED POKING THEM WITH A Q-TIP.

Offline bayoulongbowman

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 3765
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2006, 11:01:00 AM »
Brian , great points ...My Modocs come pretty sharp ...they pass my rubber band test that I use in Hunter Ed classes. But for about 20.oo bucks I use a carbide touch up sharperner, its shaves hair...light touches less is more in most cases...what I found is that I was bearing down too hard on my BH's ...Zwickeys might be the easiest to get sharp with file. I have always had trouble getting BH's razor sharp...so I read and practice alot, good info right here on this site...after I sharpen my heads, flight of my arrow is key ...talkin about BH's is like talkin about politics... :)  good luck ...Marco#78
"If you're living your life as if there is no GOD, you had  better be right!"

Offline Biggie Hoffman

  • SRBZ
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • ***
  • Posts: 3336
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #30 on: February 09, 2006, 11:35:00 AM »
I don't know. Except for buff, I also went 7 for 7 with 3 blade heads. I used 125gr razorcaps and 550 grain arrows, 65# longbow. Shot completely thru 4 animals including Kudu, the other 3 stuck in opposite side shoulders. 6 of 7 fell within site. For plains game, I'd rather have the big holes than the two blade slits.

BUT it's hard to argue with the little guy,(even though I rarely mmmmmmiss a chance to) he's been there a hundred days more than I have.
PBS Life Member
Member 1K LLC

"If you are twenty and aren't liberal you don't have a heart...if you're forty and not conservative you don't have a brain".....Winston Churchill

Offline bayoulongbowman

  • Trad Bowhunter
  • **
  • Posts: 3765
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #31 on: February 09, 2006, 12:00:00 PM »
Ya can't leave out a 125 or 140 Modoc...been there and proven its up to the test!!! Real 3:2 1 cut on impact...and now improved!!!
"If you're living your life as if there is no GOD, you had  better be right!"

Offline NYRON

  • Tradbowhunter
  • Trad Bowhunter
  • *
  • Posts: 370
    • LifeCycle Gear
Re: Which broadhead to use?
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2006, 11:57:00 AM »
For those of you with experience in Africa, do you consider a 3-blade head to be out of the question?

I'll be hunting plains game in Limpopo this August and planned to use 29" 2018s with 100 grain broadhead adapters and Wensel Woodsmans. These will be shot from a longbow, pulling about 54# at my 27" draw.

Does this set up sound adequate? Or, would you suggest a 2-blade with the modest poundage I'll be shooting?

Thanks,
Ron
Your Forest, Your Bow, Your Adventure!

 www.yourlifecyclegear.com

Users currently browsing this topic:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
 

Contact Us | Trad Gang.com © | User Agreement

Copyright 2003 thru 2024 ~ Trad Gang.com ©