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Offline doctorbrady

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A question for Too Short
« on: September 04, 2006, 08:48:00 AM »
Paul,
I suspect you are off adventuring somewhere, but I had to ask you a question.  I was watching a hunting show last night(never as good as doing it yourself, but season is still 2 weeks away)and saw a guy rifle hunting at Greater Kuduland Safaris.  The show was on the National Whitetail Association TV program.  The guy talked about his bow kill of a "giant kudu," though I don't believe it ever showed the kill.  What they did show was him taking a blue wildebeast with his rifle.  No controversy, so far.  During the "stalk" on the wildebeast they throw in some close up footage of 3 lions feasting on the remains of a wildebeast and say that during their stalk they walked up on these lions and had to take a slight detour to get to the wildebeast.  Eventually, the guy lays down on his daypack without a care in the world and drops a wildebeast then strolls carefree to the kill.  I noticed that the PH wasn't even carrying a rifle.  During the "post kill interview" between the hunter and the PH, the PH details the stalk but never mentions the lions.  I have a really hard time believing the story that the hunter gives on the TV program.  First of all, if there were lions roaming around the ranch I have a hard time believing that the PH wouldn't be packing.  I have guided hunters in the states, and there is no way I am going to depend upon some hunter who I am guiding to protect me from charging lions.  I don't think an educated PH would either.  The footage looked like it had been taken at a National Park or preserve as the footage was way too close for comfort and the lions seemed to pay the hunters no attention while they gorged on their kill.  I don't think the PH was at fault as I am sure that he had no idea what they were going to air on TV, but I think someone is trying to dupe us.  Please let me know the truth.

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2006, 10:11:00 AM »
Doc, I was just there the end of July and I got to feed those lion's. They are in a separate enclosure all by themselves. There are no free roaming lion's on the property yet. They are talking about releasing a couple of the females and putting callors on them. They just had a Cheetah with a callor and it was killed 3 day's later after we left by a Leopard.

It's too bad they have to play up stuff like that to make it sound better.

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2006, 02:56:00 PM »
cch beat me to it. I did see a leopard while I was there and also a caracal. My PH did carry a rifle, but only when we hunted in the area that had a very big and ill tempered bull elephant in it, he's no longer around.

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2006, 01:22:00 PM »
Thanks guys.  That's kinda what I figured.  It's too bad that they have to be dishonest to try to make it more than it is.  Africa is enough all by itself.  I got to pet a cheetah when I was hunting in Namibia.  I've got some great pics of the big cat laying at my feet.  Everybody thinks that I shot it, but I always quickly let them know the truth.  Like I said Africa is enough all by itself.  Thanks fellas.  Brady

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2006, 09:51:00 PM »
Greetings from Sheridan, Wyoming, Doc.  You're right on all counts...I'm on a Mule Deer hunt (got one two days ago) and the whole set up was as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.

I HATE these clowns who make the so-called hunting movies.  I think the only honest ones out there are Primos!  The rest are a bunch of lying killers who do nothing but harm hunting and hunters!

The Lions are in a 500 acre enclosure.  They are just something that Howard Knott loves to have around.  He is totally opposed to canned Lion hunting.  Personally, I think he's crazy to have them around.  They are killing machines and extremely dangerous.

I would be willing to bet all I have that Howard Knott did not approve this film and has no knowledge of it.  He is a straight shooter.  I'll also bet the guy never shot a big Kudu with a bow.  Phoney, phoney, phoney!

Aaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhh!

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Offline doctorbrady

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2006, 05:39:00 PM »
Too Short,
Congrats on the mule deer.  Those short stickbow guys are killing machines too, I hear, and extremely dangerous  :) .
I took a whitetail opening day here, which was Friday.
Thanks for your input.  I may just send them a little nasty-gram.  Brady

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2006, 01:17:00 PM »
Well, back from a series of hunts, Brady.  Took a real dandy bull Elk last week.  The Whitetails I hunted after that flumoxed me!  Congrats on the Whitetail!

Send them a nasty gram!!!!!  We need to alert these Bozos to the fact that not all of us approve of their shennanigans.  They do so much to hurt hunting and the legitimate hunter that words are not adequate to describe what they do.  

Dangerous?  My wife probably would not agree with that.  Being short is sort of like the definition of "mixed emotions"....  Your mother-in-law is driving over a cliff...in YOUR new corvette!  See, I can hide in an unmowed lawn, but then it's hard to see over the grass to shoot!

Cheers...

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2006, 03:03:00 PM »
TFS,
Congrats on the elk.  I still think you may be more dangerous than you let on.  Don't worry, I won't tell any of the critters you are after.  I suspect that they will find out on their own.  The analogy you give however is....well, touching.  Good to chat with you again.  Keep up the good work on the animal population control.  Brady

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2006, 08:39:00 PM »
I caught a show where the star was bow hunting hippos.  In the kill scene you see the shooter dressed in leafy camo (dark leafy camo)...with a face net, shooting the hippo while sitting on the bank on light reddish, beige sand...hardly a blade of grass around.  Our hunter star, was sitting right next to his PH on the bank of the river / waterway with the PH wearing shorts and a button-down short sleeve shirt...no camo, no face paint...nothing.  Looked pretty stupid.

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 03:03:00 AM »
There is so much dishonesty in hunting videos that I generally refuse to watch them.  The only exception I have seen so far, has been the stuff that Primos puts out.  

It's mostly phony, cut outs from other footage, staged shots, and shooting tame/semi-tame animals behind fences.  It makes me want to PUKE!

These clowns think that they can pull the wool over the eyes of every viewer, but I seriously doubt that many people buy this garbage.  When I was doing films with Stoney Wolf Video, we worked our tails off on wild deer and elk to try to get decent footage.  We also tried to make each film EDUCATIONAL, instead of hammering out "Kill shots".  Hopefully, it worked.

Cheers!

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Offline S Meyer

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Re: A question for Too Short
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 07:03:00 AM »
Khaki shorts and khaki shirt is the standard veldt or bush wear here. Camo clothing and netting is slowly catching on but few private game farmers look kindly on Rambo types running around on their land. I must agree that it seems unlikely that a hunter will shoot at a hippo while sitting on the sand tough. There was most likely a hide almost on the water. Usually used by bird watchers when no one is killing hippo. A camouflaged figure stalking and successfully hunting a hippo looks a lot better than someone sitting in a log hide with refreshments waiting for a hippo to surface fifteen feet away so he can shoot the unsuspecting animal. Shooting hippos in waterholes is lazy, and to my mind, unethical.

Hippos are traditionally hunted at dusk when they come out to feed. Hippos have tracks that look like human foot paths. You wait by one of these for the hippo to come by. They use these same paths on a very regular basis. That is why they kill so many people. The humans who use these paths don’t necessarily know them that well but they are very convenient. The humans then stubble across a feeding hippo, who gets spooked and tries to get back to the water and the safety this offers, but there is a dangerous human standing in the way and it isn’t moving so it must be trying to get me so I will bite it in half…

Exposing an important (read rich and willing to spend) American client to this is not good for business. Hippos are basically nocturnal, so shooting them in the day when they are less active is far easier, and much safer. The only problem is that shooting a sleeping hippo doesn’t sounds so brave. If the hunter mentioned was shooting the hippo in the water I don’t suspect they showed the small army of “trackers” who went in a boat to tie a rope or cable to the animal so it can be winched out?

Any ethical hunter will try to know as much about the animals they hunt as they can. Some things they don’t tell many hunters are some of the details about how hippos are when not being threatened. They probably won’t tell you the legends of hippos protecting small animals from predators. There is one story, whether legend or true I don’t know but it is not one you will tell to someone about to shoot what is basically a large aquatic horse.

Some campers were camping in the Kruger National Parks when one warm Sunday the older generation decided to take a nap. While parents were sleeping the small children were playing outside. When the parents came out at dusk to see what the children were doing that was making so much noise, they were shocked to see the precious younglings taking turns to ride on a large hippo’s back. When they charged in to “save” the children the hippo attacked. Why? To safe the small children from the large dangerous humans clearly attacking them.

I’ve herd two versions of this story. In one a ranger who happened to be strolling by saved the day by keeping the adults away and luring the children into a vehicle. In the other one of the mothers were killed.

Clearly only the toughest of big game hunter can take on a hippo. If this seems a rant I apologise, but I just don’t understand why someone would want to shoot a hippo like that, and it is shooting, not hunting.

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