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An Archer and a Photographer
« on: February 22, 2007, 01:46:00 PM »
I have recently had some circumstances happen in my life that have changed my choices of careers dramatically(I had a 140 ft of lattice boom from a 65-ton Lima crane fall on me last April). My back is now a framework of stainless steel on account of this. I have to think about changing my profession----and why not try and do something that I love to do? I have always been a photographer of sorts, but with all the free time, I have really improved my techniques and grown to love it. And the fact that I have a love of traditional archery goes without saying. I am just needing a project that involves both. Does anyone have any ideas how a guy could get started in this line of work? Or should I just keep giving it a go, and try to get my work out there independently?

 Sorry, maybe this wasn't the place for a thread like this. I'll quit if it is too much.

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 02:36:00 PM »
Sent you a PM.

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 02:49:00 PM »
Got it----thanx. PM returned.


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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 07:23:00 PM »
Check out the photography forum on this site. There're several pros or semi-pro's that tune in there.

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2007, 12:27:00 AM »
Jeff,  Photography is a tough business to try and make a living at.  If you try and specialize at something like archery photography,  you are really shooting yourself in the foot as the market will be extremely limited.  Even wildlife photography is tough, particularly as there are a million hacks with cameras taking the same pictures of the same buffalo in Yellowstone and trying to submit them all to the same publications. So even if your image is technically perfect, it is one in a sea of technically perfect images that all look alike.  That isn't meant to discourage you from trying, but know what you are up against.

If you want to see if your are up to the grade, then do a photoessay project.  First pick a subject that you know something about and enjoy thinking about (archery is an obvious choice here for you).  Then sit down and plan out exactly what it is you want to convey in your photoessay.  Write out a script of images that tells the story you want to tell.  Go through every image idea and plan it down to the last detail: subject, lighting, shooting angle, effects, what conditions you will be shooting in (like rain, sun, shooting from waist deep in a river, whatever), etc.  Spend a lot of time in the planning stage so you know every detail of every image before you ever load up your cameras.  

Then when you are to the point of shooting, make sure you bracket the bejesus out of things.  Dont skimp on film, because if you have to reshoot it is a lot more costly and a lot more effort than getting it right the first time.  Even though you planned everything out to the smallest detail, stay open to ideas that occur during the shoot.  Some of your best images will turn  out to be the spontaneous ones.

Once you get your film shot and processed you come to the most critical, and the most difficult, part of the project: editing.  You have to be ruthless.  Look at every frame that you shoot and decide whether it is good or bad.  No in between.  Look for the things that are wrong in each image, not what is right about it.  You can say something good about just about any image, but you edit by throwing things out.  So be ruthless and get rid of anything that isn't technically perfect, isn't aesthetically perfect, anything that doesn't speak to exactly what you wanted that image to say in your initial planning stages.  Once you have edited the individual images, edit them as a group within the context of the script that you prepared in your planning stages.  Again, be ruthless.  It is no shame to drop an image from an essay.  A few powerful images will convey much more than a large muddled collection.  Make it as tight and as concise as you possibly can.  If you are even wondering a little bit as to whether to keep an image, throw it out.

Once you have finished editing, and you are sure that your photoessay approaches the initial idea you had to start with, it is time to let it loose into the world to live or die on it's own merits.  Try to get a showing at a local gallery, or in the display case of an office building, or wherever.  If there is a camera club close to Oakley (there may be one in Twin, I dont know), they often organize showings in offices, museums, etc.  The point is to get it out and get some feed back.  

Then when it is all done, set it aside and do it again.  Making a living at photography is all about volume.  You have to have a lot of images available to sell if you expect to make money.  The successful stock photographers that I have known all shoot tens of thousands of images a year and have stock collections numbering in the hundreds of thousands.  For every image that earns you a check, there will be numerous ones in your collection that are just as good, and just as valid, but just havent found a buyer yet.  Also, be willing to do weddings, school pictures, children's portraits, or whatever.  Those mundane and artistically boring jobs add up to a lot of money that keeps the rent paid and the electricity on while you work on the images you really want to be taking.

Good luck.  It's a tough business, but a fun one.  Just make sure you approach it as a business, even if that dilutes the fun out of it somewhat.

-Fritz

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2007, 08:25:00 AM »
Jeff,there are a lot of options to making a living with photography but you'll have to decide which ones suit your personality, physical ability, and overall goals.  Stock photography can be lucrative and will let you shoot on your own schedule but it may take a year or more to see any income.  On the positive side your stock photographs will continue to make money for you year after year.  Stock photo houses are very particular when it comes to acceepting images.  There are reequirements for file size (megapixels) and strict requirements for quality.

Wedding photogrpahy is lucrative but may be physically demanding for you.  5 to 8 hours on your feet lugging two cameras and accessories can put a strain on your body.  Financially the payout on wedding photography can be very good over time.

Portrait photography can also be lucrative.  Specializing in one area such as senior high photos can be a good way to start.

Overall though you'll need to be able to take technically good images.  That may mean a big investment in camera bodies and good glass, software (photoshop), and lights.  It may also take some time to be on your own and financially stable.

My suggestion is to talk with some photographers in your home town and see if they would be willing to let you work with them.  You can get the experience you need and learn to take good images along the way.  Then you'll know if you want to go out on your own or find another line of work.
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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2007, 01:11:00 PM »
I am already taking some pretty good images. I shoot a Nikon F301 and have some decent glass, filters, and various toys. I am, however, looking to move into digital----just for the faster turnover time.
 My trouble right now is the fact that I shoot artistic looking stuff----and there just isn't much demand for that type of work.

 Thanks for the input fellers----Jeff

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2007, 01:27:00 PM »
You're right about the demand for artistic stuff.  As part of the local photographic society I've displayed photos in a number of places along with a variety of other's images.  It's tough to make much money that way.

If your photos fit a theme or have mass appeal you could consider setting up at local events - crafts shows, etc.  But even then it's tough to make significant money and you'll end up shooting all week and selling all weekend. Plus your inventory costs will be significant.

Digital will bring about a whole new world that's pretty exciting.  But you'll spend much more time in front of a computer tweaking images. And you'll have to worry more about flaws in the photos like banding, moire and other artifacts.

My five year plan is to build up enough business in weddings and portraits so that I can retire and supplement my income with photography.  I'm working with a pro here in town and things are going well.  That will make me money while the wildlife, sports and landscape photos will be for fun.

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2007, 11:33:00 PM »
Jeff, i started my photography business a little over 4 years ago after being injured on the job as well. i had loved photography since i was 14 years old and decided it was what i wanted to do.

you can make a living, but it takes some work. i shot 27 weddings last year and i won't do that again. the money was ok, but the amount of time i put into it didn't bring the return that i was looking for. on the other hand the commercial work i have done has been much more lucrative.

as far as shooting film vs. digital, i switched to digital right after going into business and have not looked back. truth is most of your photo labs are developing the film and slides and then scanning them in and printing digitally anyway. i have printed images as big as 24 x 36 that are razor sharp and they were taken with a 5 mp camera.  

if you decide to go for it, the big thing is to give it 110% and shoot anything you can handle. if the job makes you think about weather you can handle it or not, my advice is to pass on it. one mad customer can ruin you and word of mouth will be your biggest money maker. if you would like to bend my ear don't hesitate to send me an email i would be more than happy to share what i know (not much) with you.
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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2007, 10:59:00 AM »
Can anyone recommend any good stock photography sites to sell photos?

Thanks, Robert
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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2007, 07:25:00 PM »
I guess it all depens on how good you are.  If you have the right equipment and you're good, real good - try Corbis -  http://pro.corbis.com/

There are many others out there including the a lot of the newest rage - royalty free stock photos.  Here's one that an acquaintance of mine uses and likes -  http://www.istockphoto.com/index.php

I'm not sure if you've looked into shooting for stock but just in case you haven't, or someone reading this hasn't, you'll have to send some trial images in for review.  Some houses will even give you a small assignment to see how you produce.  There will be significant technical restrictions on the photos you send - minimum megapizels (usually 10), no artifacts, etc - let alone the content, composition and standard focus, exposure, etc.  Most non-royalty-free houses want to know that you'll keep producing.  THey don't watn someoen to send 300 images one time, they want 300 or more a week.  If you're good (or lucky) maybe half will be accepted.

That's all the downside.  The upside is that you can shoot whenever you want and, in many cases, whatever you want.  Another plus is that the money can be good but even if you never sell that $10,000 image, the small sales will continue to trickle in year after year.  And they can add up quite nicely.

One other thing to consider is to join up with a couple of other photographers, form a business, and submit stock photos that way.  If you do that, rather than have to shoot 300, 400, 500 photos a week on your own, you can combine the photos of the group.
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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2007, 01:57:00 AM »
www.photostockplus.com  is a good one, I have actually sold some from there. The competition is TOUGH I'm finding out. Some of these photogs are making more money on stock photos for the business world(ie pics of keyboards, drafting tables, you get the idea)than anything that has to do with fun stuff. I'm guessing that sometimes shooting stock photos to sell can be really grueling. Also, these guys have literally THOUSANDS of stock photos for sale.

 Good luck Hood in your indeavors.

 Jeff

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2007, 12:00:00 AM »
I know this is an old thread, my scenes and the comments on here, and most of them are probably from personal experience.

I have been a professional photographer for over 35 years, and the last 12 years, my wife and I have done over 535 weddings, a lot of portraits, babies in infants and families.  It was a great way to make a business.  We were successful studio, but we did take things slow, I never, never took out loans for my equipment.  Everything paid for itself as it went.  I discontinued the business in 2000, it became a 24/7.  And I just decided to leave the business when the Digital transfer was going on.

You can do, and make a great living from, you have to keep a good attitude, you will have to set a lot of rules for those 3% clients that one of their way.  It is very competitive, so you need to find a niche, mine was black-and-white, and infrared.

By the way, I got into the business, because I had back surgery three times.  It is a grueling, business when you get to the higher end client.  Very demanding.  Good luck to you.  And just remember life is not full of problems, they're just opportunities waiting to happen.

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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2007, 02:43:00 PM »
Jeff:

I was an extremely avid photographer at one time and even opened a digital imaging company.  Unfortunately, I was on the "BLEEDING EDGE" of technology and was soon put out of business by the big print houses who offered the service for free to get the print work.

None the less, I wish you a lot of luck.  Here is a link to a web site I ran across looking for stock images:

   Royal Tine Photography
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Re: An Archer and a Photographer
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2008, 12:56:00 AM »
I'm currently employed in a full time job but dabble in photography on the side.  I've sold some pics to news papers and so on but nothing making me want to quite my day job.

A good friend of mine who is a professional told me that the best thing is to shoot anything and everything OUTSIDE of a studio.  Especially if you're shooting digital, your home computer can become your studio and you have no overhead.  Depending on where in the world you are, tax wright offs are also possible for your house.

I looked at becomming an associate of a pro studio photographer and it would have cost me $1500 a month for the PRIVELEDGE.  That would have put me behind the 8 ball almost instantly.

Some hunters will pay you to head out and document their hunts (most provide all food and accomodations plus payment)  I've done some of that but refused payments so that I can build up my portfolio.  They just pay for cost of prints.

Some food for thought.  Hope it works out for you.
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