Hey BobCo, i did have the bleeders on. Shooting CX Heritage 150's with a 100grain insert and a 125 grain head, I've been going back in forth between Stingers and Phantoms. This set up gives me an arrow weighing 560 grains out of a 53# @25" bow. It was a close shot but the arrow did clip a rib on the way in then stuck pretty well into the dirt. Joe