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Offline vermonster13

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Companies PETA owns stock in
« on: July 10, 2006, 12:33:00 PM »
Just an FYI, PETA has been buying stock in national companies to influence their business practices. These companies include:

Dominoes
Wal-Mart
Costco
McDonalds
Safeway
Kroger
Tyson Foods
Yum! Foods (Wendys, Pizza Hut, KFC and others)

There are are others, but these one's are confirmed by PETA themselves.

The anti's are putting their money were there mouth is and are going about things more subtley and intelligently than many know.

This is why we need to be informed and aware of what's happening. Where you spend your money is as important as what you spend it on.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 01:07:00 PM »
I find it quite ironic that Peta would buy stock in companies who's #1 income is the sale of animal flesh.....

But thanks for these types of updates, I will know where I SHOULDN'T shop at least.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 05:23:00 PM »
It's not irony as much as it is hypocricy.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2006, 05:36:00 PM »
Bit of an eye opener!!
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2006, 11:22:00 PM »
the only one of these I ever go to is wendys. I'll have to make that as seldom as possible now. thanks Dave.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 08:59:00 AM »
C2, only hypocritical if they are smart enough to realize the connection....my bet is, they aren't.

If they do, they certainly have no justification for their theology.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 09:09:00 AM »
The reasons they state for buying stock in these companies is to get them to change the way chickens are slaughtered to and inert gas suffication method like they use in some animal shelters.

I am sure they have other things up there sleeves, but used this as a way to justify to donors the spending of money on stocks.

Still, these folks claim to be against all animal killing yet they do this. The scary part is that they are buying stock in major companies in order to influence those companies policy. They aren't just happy with protesting anymore, they're working from the inside now.

What happens if they start buying stock in publicly offered hunting companies? This bears watching!

Check this site out for the level of hypocrisy PETA opperates at:  http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 11:04:00 AM »
I don't think boycotting these companies is the right move at all.   The stock is for sale and can be bought by anyone.   As public companies they cannot by law keep any individual or group from buying, so the best thing we can do is to support them and make sure they know where their business comes from and make sure they don't listen to the nutcases from PETA.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2006, 11:17:00 AM »
A hunter's investment fund could sure go a long ways to fighting these folks. Having hunters own stock in these companies would help offset any influence PETA would gain from buying stock. May be a way for an investment firm to do some good for hunting and make a living at the same time.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 08:44:00 PM »
David,

Where can I get documentation on yhis, is it on PETA's web site?


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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2006, 11:19:00 PM »
Yes it is. They talk about it in several places in their site.
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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2006, 06:34:00 PM »
Personally I agree with Matt, boycotting these companies accomplishes nothing.  No offence Vermonster, but you sit there and say that PETA is    
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Having hunters own stock in these companies would help offset any influence PETA would gain from buying stock.  
Sounds to me like you think that fighting fire with fire is the best answer, when, as far as I'm concerned in this case it is not.  You also sit there and berate PETA for their "underhanded and dirty tactics"(not saying you said that in those words exactly but that was the gist of it) and then you push for us to use the same tactics against them.  It's hypocrisy when PETA invests in animal killing companies but not hypocrisy for you to encourage the very same tactics that, just a few sentences earlier, you denounced?

I'm not trying to attack you or anything of that nature it's just that I'm trying to provide you with another view of things, I find sometimes that helps me to rethink and come up with a better solution.  This is, after all, a forum-a place for discussion.  I do agree that it's rather ironic that PETA invests in said companies but do not really see it as a threat.  Let them spend money where they want.  Furthermore I don't see PETA as "a threat" or anything like that, sure they may not like hunting but that is their opinion and they are entitled to it.  Just an alternative viewpoint, take it for what it's worth.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2006, 09:58:00 AM »
Vagrant I think you have read more into my posts than is there. We need to be aware of what PETA and all of the ARA's are doing. They may not be the biggest threat to hunting, but they can take opportunities away from us. As far as hunters buying stock in these companies, there is no hypocrisy there. I eat meat, I kill animals. I never stated that these tactics are underhanded for them, actually they are quite intelligent. A boycott by vegitarians isn't much of a threat to these companies, so the ARA's by stock so they can influence policies, there is nothing hypocritical for hunters to do the same to protect our interests. This thread shows that not all ARA actions are the crazy things we see on CNN, there are some very intelligent people in these groups and for us to just dismiss them as whackos is a mistake. These groups have one final goal, no human use of animals and animals having rights just like humans. That may be their view on how things should be, but I have every right to see things differently and to take steps to protect hunting, farming and even pet ownership as I see fit also within the law. The within the law part is something many of these ARA folks don't concern themselves with. Several ARA groups have stated that if 5 humans have to die to save a million animals, that is fine. I don't see things that way.

You might want to do some actual research on the animal rights associations and their methods and goals. You might be surprised by what you learn.
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Re: Companies PETA owns stock in
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2006, 12:51:00 PM »
I bet PETA would just "LOVE" it if everyone boycotted these companies.That may be thier plan,on the other hand if we don't then they make more profit.No matter what they kinda win.Unless like it was said hunters as a group buy in also to offset PETA.On the brighter side,this can also hurt PETA's image to the general public for exposing them for what they really are...People Eating Tasty Animals.
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2006, 01:08:00 PM »
Well, I was mostly just concerned with the fact that, as far as I am concerned, stock buying to counteract PETA interests in said companies isn't the best course of action.  I do agree that these groups take things too far, however, as I've said before it is their opinion and they are entitled to it...there does become a point where opinions cross the line however I don't feel like that applies here.  I respect the fact that you would like to maybe set up some sort of way to financially counteract these moves by PETA, however, I feel like money would be better spent by first of all educating the un-ethical hunters that give the community a bad reputation and then doing something about letting the public eye into the hunting community and the fact that the majority of hunters are ethical, care about the enviroment and wildlife, and aren't out to just wipe out animals or anything like that.  I think that if the public as a whole was better educated, and if the doors to hunting and especially the bowhunting community were kept more widely open, we would see that any push by a group like PETA would more than likely receive a fairly solid defense from an educated public.  I don't think the public will ever be "pro-hunting", however I do think it is possible to educate the general public to a point that they would help keep hunting around.

Just to clarify on my hypocrisy statement, I wasn't implying you don't eat meat, just that some people opposed to you might say "he implied that PETA buying stock to control companies was deplorable and, while cunning, still dirty, and yet here he goes doing the same thing to fight back."  Personally I think it isn't a bad plan, but I don't think it's the best.  If you're going to represent the hunting, and especially bowhunting, community I want to see it represented well and in a manner that shows that we are intelligent and ethical.

As to the statement of 5 million people dying to save 1 million animals that is ridiculous with a capital R.  I think we both agree that while animals, when they are kept as pets, should be treated well, and that animals when being killed should be killed in an ethical way that gives them the quickest death possible.  I think we both also agree that the folks at PETA and other groups take things a bit too far, the fact that huans have superior brains and the ability to craft tools to harvest animals for food is just the natural progression of things.  Before we know it they will advocate eating only synthesized foods so as not to kill anything that was once living.  I also wonder what they think of one animal killing another.  

Anyways, I was mostly just trying to present a bunch of arguments that the opposition could present to you, like I said I want to see the community represented in the best possible way and so I was just trying to toss out some ideas to, hopefully, lead you to refining any plans you would have for counteracting PETA in a financial sense.  Maybe I did that maybe I didn't.  And besides, I'm sure that if you were to do something you seem like you would properly think it out and plan it well so as to get things to work as best as possible.  But it is never a bad thing to keep working things over.

And I must say, I'm fairly new to the forums and things here do seem to proceed in an orderly, mature, and enjoyable debate fashion.  I was honestly expecting a rather harsh rebuke since, to be frank, what I wrote could have easily been taken as somewhat offensive.  But thanks for facilitating a good conversation, look forward to more!

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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2006, 06:56:00 PM »
You also need to not make assumptions on my statements if you wish to represent an opposing argument. Money needs to be spent many different ways to conteract PETA and also we need to educate the general public on the good hunters do much more effectively. Also I stated 5 people not 5,000,000. I never said that their buying stock was deplorable and cunning, thats twice you misrepresented my statements, I actually commented that it showed intelligence and subtleness, things most hunters need to be successful. Actually a majority of the public is pro-hunting, just not hunters and it also depends on what hunting is presented. You are right about the minority of hunters that present a bad image for all of us,  while the general public supports hunting, many also have a poor image of hunters, a catch 22 if you will.

I have no problem with your presenting arguments and actually I encourage it, but present arguments, not just rewrite my statements to serve your position. Facts and other courses of action are the way to victory. This is a war we are in that has many battlefronts, we need to be well represented on all of them.
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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2006, 07:30:00 PM »
As to the 5 million thing I could have sworn that I read 5 million...I read the post twice and responded and for some reason I read 5 million both times, that was simply a mistake, the fact that I can read an entire novel in an hour sometimes works against me since from time to time I'll mix parts of a sentence.  

As to the deplorable and cunning, I'm not saying that you said that, I am, however saying that you are giving the impression that you feel this way about PETA and these particular tactics.  Maybe you do feel that way, maybe you don't, but the bottom line is that for me I get that sort of an impression from it and can easily see how someone else would too.  I'm not trying to mis-represent your statements or spin them against you, merely I'm trying to show you how easily something you say can carry an underlying feeling.

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Actually a majority of the public is pro-hunting, just not hunters and it also depends on what hunting is presented.
I actually find that to be the opposite for the people I come in contact with.  My family hates hunting, they think that it is stupid.  They say that if you want food you should go to the grocery store and purchase it.  Also, it should be of note that I'm only 17 years old, and the majority of young people, even here in South Carolina, tend to look at hunting as "something for rednecks" or "barbaric and gross."  Many do not understand just what the hunt means.  I think you can understand where I come from when I say that, if the youth of the country has no interest in, respect for, or understanding of hunting then the future of hunting is doomed.  I guess I would rather see a push for education over stock buying.  

So, I apologize if perhaps I did spin things, this was not intentional nor was it meant as a personal affront or an incite to a bout of flaming. It was simply me spitting back to you what I got out of what you said.  In other words, me telling you what my impression of your posts was in order to, hopefully, let you see how easily your arguments could be turned around against you.  Come to think of it, I probably should have put that sentece in there before I posted but, alas, it slipped my mind.

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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2006, 08:35:00 PM »
That could be very true for your area, but I am going on national poll numbers. It is one of the reasons we still have hunting. Around 60% of Americans agree with hunting as a management tool and hunting that results in the animal being consumed. Trophy hunting is seen in a very negative light by the general public. That is one of the reasons I oppose the WHA so vehemently, it reinforces an image that is very detrimental to hunting, the image that hunting is all about the trophy and in their case no use of the animal except for entertainment. That is something that could change huntings image in a way that would be very harmful to us at the polls. More and more states are putting hunting issues out to public referendums rather than letting DNR's do their jobs based on science. Emotion can be a very dangerous thing when it decides hunting issues.
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2006, 08:42:00 PM »
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It is one of the reasons we still have hunting. Around 60% of Americans agree with hunting as a management tool and hunting that results in the animal being consumed.
Didn't realize that but good to hear.

   
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Trophy hunting is seen in a very negative light by the general public. That is one of the reasons I oppose the WHA so vehemently, it reinforces an image that is very detrimental to hunting, the image that hunting is all about the trophy and in their case no use of the animal except for entertainment. That is something that could change huntings image in a way that would be very harmful to us at the polls.
I agree with you on this 100%.  For me, the hunt is something spiritual, it is like nothing else in the world.  For me, taking an animal is not something done for sport, it is part of the cycle of nature, it is something that brings me back to nature, and a way to provide for myself.  I do not hunt for sport, I do not hunt for trophies.  If I don't feel like the hunt is going to yield something for me in an emotional and spiritual sense I do not partake in it.  Similarly if I'm not going to eat it, I'm not going to shoot it.  I too feel that the WHA is simply going to perpetuate a negative image and portray hunting in a light that will only bring bad press and lead to a bad reputation.

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