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Offline elkbow

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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2007, 08:38:00 AM »
in the area here around home the poachers do most of the big buck management,the mounts are easy to spot,usually the hair around the eyes are cinged or theres powder burns where the arrow went in.
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Offline Brian Krebs

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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2007, 12:25:00 PM »
actually that is an excellent point; Elkbow !
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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2007, 12:15:00 AM »
all jokes aside,genetics,food source,mineral,and they say stress plays an important role in antler growth-not necassarily in that order.like anything else though,they're can be what we call late bloomers though so unless your in a controlled environment i wouldn,t be too concerned on culling.improving the health of your deer herd by feeding,using suppliments and mineral licks can improve the general health and potential of your herd.is the expense worth the rewards,can your property withstand the effects of a un-naturally supplimented deer herd.brouse make up a lot more of a whitetails diet than what most people realize.it usually takes years of serious investment of not only money but also time to alter your herd,and unless your dealing with penned animals,almost impossible to have that much control over free roaming deer.you'll notice deer yard up in the late winter and the bucks usually group up by age class also,that being said consider this,do they normally winter on your property?if so,then you can have somewhat of an impact on them but if not,who's going to reap the benefits of your money and labor.i plant feed plots to try to hold the deer in the core of our property ,not to hunt because if your pressureing these animals away from your feed plots what benefit are they to your deer,i'm trying to protect what i can from the road hunters that have invaded us since the harvest of the amish buck last year.the deer lick the blocks i keep out for the cattle so i'm not doing anything special in that case the plots are specifically for the deer and turkey though.this is my opinion only based  on years of raising livestock.
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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2008, 09:02:00 AM »
one in the freezer beats two on the ridge anyday,to each his own,as it should be,i think?
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Offline turkey65

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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2008, 11:15:00 AM »
What I saw this past season in the area I hunt in Pa. on state forest land, was not bigger bucks but younger bucks doing the breeding. I sat over some active scrapes that I doctured every day for two solid weeks,in that period I had seven different bucks visiting the scrape looking for the hot doe. I could have shot at four of the seven but choose not to,in this same period I saw one mature doe, the Pa Game Commission and the Dept of Forestry have been wacking does for five years now, and I admit I've helped them to accomplish their goals,but I feel with the decline in the doe population the bucks are traveling larger distances to find receptive does. There's been alot of bigger bucks killed on roads this year and I believe the reason is as stated.On our state owned lands which my taxes and license fees helped buy and maintain the QDM is not working.On private land it maybe working but I'm not going to be forced to lease or buy land for such a program.

Offline Howard S.

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Re: Quality Deer Management?
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2008, 03:31:00 PM »
I think that QDM is a great thing if that is what you want to do on 'your' property.  If you can get all your neighbors to play along even better for all of you.  I plant food plots an maintain a 'sanctuary' on my 23 acres every year.  The two 40 acre neighbors however maintain a 'if it's brown it's down' environment.  What I see is mostly does and fauns.  I saw one spike buck all year this year.  Would I like to shoot a trophy, sure, who wouldn't?  Is that what motivates me to hunt? No.  

In a state like Michigan where we have millions of acres of public land and field more gun hunters than the entire US armed forces for our 2 week firearm season, mandating QDM on public land just doesn't work.  I'm a working guy, I get maybe 2 weekends to hunt, I have to shoot a buck.  I'm I going to wait for a 'mature' buck when there's 750,000 other hunters in the woods.  No Way!  I'm going to shoot the first chance I get.  

Here's another aspect I think is important here.  A big part of QDM is management of the habitat, we can't afford to do that on our public land.  We can hardly afford to keep COs in the field these days.  If the good habitat and food are on private lands where do you think the deer are going to be?  I'm lucky, I have a small piece of property to hunt.  The majority of hunters in Michigan only have the neglected state & federal land to depend on.

Howard

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