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A must read
« on: November 29, 2007, 03:59:00 AM »
As in Rome, do as the Romans

“If you are not working to protect hunting, then you are working to end it”.……….Fred Bear

By John Simeone
On a brisk spring morning on a secluded lake, somewhere in the state of Vermont, a hunter waits patiently in a tree stand. This tradition goes back three generations in the nimrod’s family, and you would believe it’s not much different than deer hunting right here in Louisiana. No, not deer hunting. Would you believe he is legally gun fishing? The quarry is spawning northern pike in the shallows, and the hunter/fisherman shoots the fish with a selected firearm and then scoops up his dinner.
Oh my goodness does that rub a lot of you raw; does it sound unsportsman like or just plain ridiculous? But this form of hunting has been around for a long time in that state, and done properly it is safe, ethical and legal, not to mention being a cultural tradition. To tell you the truth, I’d kinda like to try it out myself, however many others in their ignorance would cry fowl.
Invite that same hunter to Louisiana on a deer hunt, and after everyone gets through laughing at him about his gun fishing, they inform the already embarrassed Yankee, the hounds will be turned lose at 9:00 am. The hunt master hands him a shotgun and a handful of buckshot, telling him to leave the rifle in the case, while he goes over the safety rules of this timely southern hunting tradition. Then our Yankee kicks and screams all the way to the deerstand complaining, “They don’t do it that way in Vermont.” Chances are he will change his tune when he finds out he is about to have more fun than a Yankee ever deserved, but until the first strike of the hounds he will stew in his own myopic view of deer hunting. If you think you have the market cornered on methods, protocol, or even sportsmanship your living in a glass bubble.
It certainly doesn’t stop there. Always among hunters there is an individual, or a group that wants to pontificate how we should conduct ourselves afield, even when the contrary is perfectly legal, ethical and many times traditional. Game and Fish Commissions have long figured out what the majority of the people want as far as methods and means, basing their decisions on harvestable numbers of game, rules of fair chase and local cultural hunting traditions. Louisiana, the Sportsmen’s Paradise is by far one of the most liberal and that’s why I choose to live here.
Still you can get an emotional response over these topics and more. Bow hunters vs. Gun Hunters, hunting on the ground vs. elevated stands, Inline muzzle loaders vs. traditional muzzleloaders. Hunting Turkeys with rifles as opposed to shotguns, then there is the crossbow issue and whether or not we should bait deer or other big game animals. Of course you have the guy that backpacks a deer stand into remote areas as opposed to the heated box stand hunter over the alfalfa field. The classic battle between the “Haves” and the “Have Not’s” certainly relates to hunting. One activity may be somewhat distasteful to one group of hunters while being perfectly acceptable to others. Unfortunately, the words legal, ethical, and traditional don’t seem to be enough convincing for some.
There are those who are just bound to a small area and only know their way of hunting, which is not a problem. This only requires a little study and conversation with other locals if the hunter travels outside of his traditional boundary. It does however, require an open-minded attitude lending new credence to the old adage, “As in Rome do as the Romans .” If you travel out of state on a hunting trip, ask your friends what the local traditions are and be prepared to be surprised.
Then there are what the outdoor forums now call “Cannibals.” This group of individuals crusade the destruction of certain core hunter groups usually for there own personal gain, whether it be hunting lands or misguided opinions. I’m generalizing here, but I could easily get specific, just look around you. It’s the dog that won’t hunt, but he won’t stay on the porch either. He just runs around nipping at the other dog’s heels, and it’s not politically correct to shoot him. Remember it is the core hunters that buy the majority of the hunting licenses and pay the way for the rest of us, including non-hunting outdoorsman.
A learned anti-hunter can put a negative spin on any type of hunting regardless of its nature considering the present day sensitivity of society. Anti hunting groups are the final interlopers, waiting in the wings enjoying with glee any type of infighting hunters conjure up to do away with themselves. Time is on their side. These so called cannibal hunters are unknowingly joining ranks with anti-hunters, undermining the very soul of hunting tradition every time they make a criticizing comment on legal, ethical and traditional hunting methods and means.
The bottom line is, if you don’t prefer to participate in a certain way of hunting, then by all means don’t. The time is now to rally hunters through education and understanding, constantly remembering if you aspire to the ways of the cannibal, you may be next on the menu. Pass it on.
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Re: A must read
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2007, 05:38:00 AM »
One of the best posts I've ever read on an outdoor/hunting forum. Should be a stickey on them all.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2007, 07:19:00 AM »
Thank You My Friend!!!!! I couldn't agree more!!!!!

I am a Hunter. As a hunter I enjoy hunting a variety of game,using a variety of methods.While I cherish the memories of watching the sun rise from a deer stand with a stickbow in my hand,I have fond memories of deer drives with a group of family and friends while toting my old 16ga. Ithaca "Deerslayer".

I firmly believe that as "hunters" we must stand together.....

Because by standing apart we will soon be standing alone.
I only shoot WOOD arrows... My kid makes them, fast as I can break them!

There is a fine line between Hunting, & Sitting there looking Stupid...

May The Great Spirit Guide Your Arrows..... Happy Hunting!!!

Offline Gurn

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Re: A must read
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2007, 04:00:00 PM »
Thank you for taking the time to read this.  :thumbsup:   The first time I read it I really got to thinking.
I wish everyone would take the time to.
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Offline Brian Krebs

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Re: A must read
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2007, 04:30:00 PM »
A lot of arguments about hunting are based on where you live and hunt. I heard hunters this year ( I live in Idaho) complaining about eastern hunters doing 'drives' for elk and deer; and how unethical that is.

 In Idaho you can shoot one deer and one elk a year; unless you have the cash to buy a left over non-resident tag at non-resident prices.

 So; when I am talking about hunting - with someone that gets to shoot many deer each season; we are not talking about the same situation.

 These regional things really can make wars between hunters.

 I do think there are things worth fighting for.
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Re: A must read
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2007, 08:45:00 AM »
Truth right there......"Cannibals" - heh, I like that.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2007, 11:54:00 AM »
Enjoyed it and Agree.. Thats for taking the time to type it in...

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Re: A must read
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2007, 04:16:00 PM »
First let me say that I am not slamming anyone or any hunting method mentioned in the article. However, let's not forget that "tradition" in some places once meant things like 300 ducks a day and leg hold trapping and poisoning deer. I am sure that the Lacy Act had plenty of opponents in it's day but if not for it we would have no wildlife today. Also let's remember that NO ONE has a RIGHT to hunt, it is a privilage. If we don't police ourselves then the vastly nonhunting(not antihunting) public will and I know none of us want that.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2007, 04:23:00 PM »
Actually in Vermont hunting and fishing is a constitutional right. It is also a Judea-Christian right granted in the Bible(not to get on a religious tangent). In the past 100 years a lot has been done to change it from a right to a privilege in the U.S.A. similar to what it was in Europe just before the privilege was lost by all but the most wealthy. I don't believe any of deer are the "King's".
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Re: A must read
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 04:46:00 PM »
I would be willing to bet that for certain offenses that "right" can be revoked which makes it not really a right. Also hunting came into being after the fall which doesn't really make it a GOD mandated activity. Man was first meant to live in peace with the animals but we blew that. I really have no desire to argue with anyone I just wanted to get everyone to think in another direction, that's all.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2007, 05:12:00 PM »
Not arguing. In this Disneyfied world we tend to lose sight of our origins. At creation God gave us rule over the animals.
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Re: A must read
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 05:17:00 PM »
I agree but we werent given GOD's permission to eat the animals until after the flood.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2007, 02:58:00 AM »
Although I could careless if it is legal to shoot northerns with a gun, it is something that has very specific do's and don'ts safety wise.  In Iowa the skipping 22 round is feared and rightfully so.  I can see how the parameters of what is and is not ethical could use a rational local understanding, but also with changing influences like increasing populations and decreasing hunting land we should also take an objective point of view that adjustments need to be made to match the situations.  Who would have thought that deer numbers could get out of control?  The environmental changes caused it, so adjustments were made.  We should take an understanding position if sometimes those changes are not exactly what we want, but still have the right to argue our point of view if we feel they are wrong.  I fear political positions that take that right away from us, left or right wing.  Remember Brady, the Brady bill, was a Regan republican, and not all antihunters are Democrats, Govenor Arnold, Jay Leno. Things are not always as black and white as we would like.

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Re: A must read
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2007, 04:04:00 AM »
Very specific do's and don'ts are the rule with any kind of hunting. Yes the enviroment causes changes in animal populations. Nothing wrong with changing with it, as long as the changes reflect biologist recomendations vs political pressure. As far as what politcal party is mostly for hunting and gun rights I won't even bother getting into that.
Just find out what party takes the most money from anti hunting or gun control groups. To stay in office you have to do favors.
I think you will find your examples are the exception, and not the norm.
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Re: A must read
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2007, 12:58:00 PM »
You need to check the voting history of the candidates in your election. We have supporters and opponents in both parties. It is our job to educate ourselves on who's who.
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Re: A must read
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 08:14:00 PM »
Yep. The record not the retoric tells the tale.
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