ArticArcher, The order in which they are used is the important factor
As a side note the opener gives a great grip hold for your thumb. I know I'll be forging up a few of these for his friends and my son will definitely want one. Zach doesn't know about it yet as he is in a base camp at 17,000 feet on Mt McKinley. His team is responsible for rescues from 17,000 to the summit of 20,000 feet. The team has had to summit Denali a couple of times with rescues mainly frost bite victims! I'm sure he'll want a Beer when that is over
Doc