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Offline ChristopherO

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Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« on: January 06, 2009, 07:30:00 AM »
NEW PICTURES OF COMPLETED BOW ADDED BELOW IN A FOLLOWING POST:

Having seen many excellent bows on this forum I thought I would let you know what I've been working on.
This bow has been a first of sorts for me.  One, it is my first "STAVE" bow.  I cut these logs the weekend after Thanksgiving 2007.  All my other projects have been board bows or wood laminates.  This is the first bow that I've chased a ring on, too. And, it is the first time I've used Osage other than in making slats for BBO bows.  
Another first is that because it was a stave it was all one piece, including riser, and for a short time was a selfbow.  After tillering it I had to shoot it in ala natural to know that I could accomplish such a feat.
   
The set taken in the limbs is appearent in this picture.  The stave originally had it's own reflex and the handle backset by the shape of the tree.  Interestingly, in a thin, flat bellied bow as this a single ring was followed for the compression side as well as for the tension.  The spects at this point is 60" ntn, 4" recurves, limbs about 1 1/2" at fades to 3/8" at nock point.

Actually, it is not a cut in shelf but a cut out shelf.  Having extra wood to work with while bandsawing it was a simple matter of not cutting that wedge of wood off to create a workable hunting assessory that I am comfortable using in the field.  If you look closely the fade isn't violated and if the shelf were removed then it would be a standard shoot off the knuckle handle.
   

   
Yes, a double shelf design is a quirky site.  My motivation was that the TBB's had mentioned that one limb may shoot better than another so I had to cover my bases as it finds it's correct placement in my hand.  

Recurving Osage presented challanges I wasn't accustom to.  Steam didn't seem to faze it like hickory.  I ended up chasing a belly ring and dry heating it as suggested by Pat B.  Still, it splintered at the bend.  Good thing this wood doesn't have to be thick to hold a static curve!  Sandpaper took out most of the violated area while superglue and sawdust filled it in.  There was quite a bit of time working with the heatgun overall to make this stave work out.  Lining the tips up is a real chore.
   
Whitetail antler tip provided the overlays.

It is braced at 6 3/8" in this picture.  I am not sure what a good wood recurve should be braced at but this felt right and that is where I stopped.  
   
The upper limb just past the fade measures 7 1/4" from belly to string while the lower limb's measurement is 7 1/8" for the same area.  From what I've learned that should be about right for the tiller; bottom limb a bit stiffer than the top limb.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

   
My "Glory Shot".  1st unbacked osage recurve selfbow and it isn't broken!  
It draws at 40# here.  about 10 -15# less than I really want but I am delighted how it throws an arrow.  Rounding the limb edges really made a difference in weight drop on this bow.

I had in mind before ever cutting it out that I should, would back it with sinew when finished.  It will lift the draw weight up and give me piece of mind to boot.  Yes, yes, I know that Jim Hamm expounded on the virtues of sinewing before tillering in the Sinew chapter of the TTB but being such a novice I left that for the more initiated.  Wanting to induce some reflex into the limbs that had already taken a set I thought about heat treating but according to my friend's MC meter this wood was already low and maybe more heat would dry it too much.  Instead I took a narrow strip of rawhide from deer I shot last year to help me out.
   
Letting a small portion be glued to the back of the handle and clamping in reflex before sinewing.  This strip will be covered with the sinew and trimmed once dry.  This may be a common practice that you all know but incase not I thought I would share this idea.  The frame used to hold the bow in place is my laminate bow jig.  Now I am confined to board and self bows until the glue sets up.  That's ok, my wife is getting impatient with my obsession.  I think it is time to take her out to dinner.  This has been a long process, with much inspiration from those who display their work on this board and elsewhere, especially the recurving chapter in the Traditional Bower's Bible.

This is the end result of Sunday night's work.  
   
I am thinking about naming it "Great Expectations" as I hope to have many arrows launched through it and kill deer if possible.
I will keep you posted on the final result in due time.
Thanks for looking,
Christopher.

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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 09:58:00 AM »
For your first try at this type of bow I would say you did an EXCELLENT job. I really like the duoble arrow rests. Are you backing it just to be safe? Again great job....ron w
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 10:10:00 AM »
Christopher, this is an excellent recurve and more so that it is your first in many ways. A little bit of set is almost expected because you are adding more stress to the working portions of the limbs with the static recurves. I haven't tried TB glue with sinew except for a last of 3 courses on a bow I made a few years ago. I have shot sinewed bows done with TB and was impressed with how they shot.
   When bending recurves I try to keep the area to be bent a little thicker than the ultimate thickness because of splinters. I have very rarely bent recurves without a few splinters. I usually add super glue, like you, but before reducing to the ultimate thickness. Having a single ring on the belly helps but splinters still occur for me.
   The double shelf is a good idea. Chris Cade does this on most of his static recurves because he says the recurves can overstress the bottom limb especially. So, when it begins to show set, he flips it over to put less stress on that limb.
   Very nice bow and great pictorial. It does look like the upper limb is bending a bit much just above the handle. The sinew may help this but watch it when it is ready to start shooting again.  Pat
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 04:13:00 PM »
You're a man after my own heart Christopher! That design is probably one of my all time favorites. I've made a few from Osage with the TB/sinew jobs and several from hickory. You can easily add 10-15# with the sinew if you set your limbs back far enough. The trick with sinewed bows is to use the narrowest design the wood will allow and using the least amount of glue and sinew to get the job done (less fluctuation in poundage due to tempature and humidity changes). I've found that the Tite-bond glue adheres to a finish better than to the oily Osage itself.

Once you add more bow poundage you might have a problem with your bends pulling out. Something to keep an eye on. Good luck and keep us informed.-ART B

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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2009, 04:31:00 PM »
Ron, yes, my initial thought was to back it just to be safe but I don't think it really needed it.  I do want it to have a higher pull weight, though.  Hence the sinew.

Pat B, I take your words as high praise and feel honored by your response.  I will confess that this isn't my first recurve but my first successful attempt.  I may have the confidence to finish up the hickory bow, that gave me fits last year, now.  One very shortened ash flat bow receive sinew and TB3 last year.  I've not completely finished the details on that bow, yet, but it cured a substantial amount of set the limbs took when it was originally tillered as a 70" bow.  I researched TB3 before using it and it appears to be a good substitute for hide glue without the moisture gathering tendencies.

Art B, from the moment I laid eyes on the cover of Traditional Bowers Bible #2 I was smitten with this style, too!  I did score and scrub the back of the bow very well with dish soap before backing so hopefully oily wood won't be an issue.  I will keep you all posted on it's final specs when the glue dries.
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2009, 01:33:00 PM »
It is now 99% complete and I wanted to share the end result with all of you.
 

I sinew backed it for durability and added draw weight.  It brought it up about 4#'s.  I would have thought more but due to the fact I pretillered it the limbs had already taken their set.
 

The recurve where the sinew ended and the whitetail antler tips.
 

My son doesn't have the draw lenght I have, yet, as it pulls 44# @ 28".  He is a few inches short.  But he likes it and I have gifted it to him has his "Fire Wood" bow.
 

The dressed handle wrap is shorter than most as this bow has two shelves cut into it.  
 
The reason I did this originally was that I've read that over time wooden recurves bottom limbs have a tendency to weaken with use so some folks flip the bow over and keep shooting.  I don't know if this is such an issue with a sinewed back bow but my son liked it so I kept it as is.  Funny thing is that the limb I thought would be best as the top limb actually functions better as the bottom limb.  

The only thing left to do is that the small hairline crack near the bend of the recurve, mentioned eariler in this thread, will get a wrap of sinew as insurance.  Now that we've shot it some the finish over that line appears to show very small movement.  
We are pleased the way it shoots an arrow as quick as it does.  When I get some more time I will chrono it to see what it can do.
Thanks for looking and all the advise in this endevour.
Christopher

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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2009, 03:52:00 PM »
Christopher, Your bow came out beautiful. The braced profile is very sexy and the full draw(almost) looks good too. Well done! I'm sure your son will cherish it.
  Time to make one for yourself!!!
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2009, 04:38:00 PM »
Excellent job!!!
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 05:46:00 PM »
Christopher,
Congratulatios, great looking bow, I agree with Pat, you need to do one for yourself now.
I am working on one as we speak, it is a Bamboo backed Tri-lam I hope it turns out as nice as yours did.
Great looking tiller!!
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« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 08:07:00 PM »
Very well done Sir!
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Re: Osage Static Recurve Progress/ Finished Project!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2009, 09:06:00 PM »
Very nice!  I've been wanting to do an Osage selfbow sooooo bad, but now, after seeing these Osage recurves and Osage's with static tips... MAN, I'm jealous.  Great job Christopher!

You'd think here in Oklahoma, I'd practically trip on a tree around here.  I just need to find a connection..  :)

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