hi pat, i didn,t get to shoot her yet(lots of flexing but no arras yet). i know what mean about the knot so i'll give her try later to day,i just glued up another hickory, ipe, just in case this one dont make the grade. the last one i made turned out pretty good, i was going to take some pictures to let you guys see it. i was drawing it to show my brother when it blew up on me.it had the same problem as this one knot in the belly. ipe is a tough wood to read until you get right into it and then its to late. anyhow thanks for the help pat hopefully i can work around the knot without doing any damage. noel