Thanks, osagetree. big, I do most of the building in the winter. This one took 11 hours from stave to full draw. semo, this one actually does bend in the handle and the fades. But I didn't want to mention that in the buildalong. That design takes care to tiller, 40 degrees is about my limit. This one is not that bad, oke. How much do you have? Jawge