It was just a stick, I've been messin with this stave for over a year, it was crooked and twisted, kept puttin heat to it and trying to get things lined, would get disgusted and toos it in the corner and forget about it, but I kept coming back to it. Broke about 4" off one end at a knot so cut the other end off to match. Went from a ridged handle to a D bow. A simple backing of rawhide and it would be alive today. Oh well theres more wood in my corner of shame awaiting me LOL