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Author Topic: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s  (Read 1496 times)

Offline longbawl

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2008, 02:40:00 PM »
I no some are going to say my arrows are to stiff. I tried 150s an 3555s buy the time i got them to shoot my 150 heads they were to short.I am shooting a RER 50@28 i draw 27 3/4 My arrows are 250s 30 1/4 with 50gr goldtip weights an standered inserts.That gives me 61gr inserts and 145 gr tips. They bare shaft great a little nock hight.I fletched them with 4 fletch low profile shields RW. And they shoot great at 15yds i shot a whitetail with a 4 blade simmons land shark. The arrow went through the deer an went 10 more yds and buried in a maple tree.I have found my arrow.

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2008, 04:33:00 PM »
Went to the range at lunch. I tried shooting through paper also. The 29.5" 250s w/ the 245gr. up front shot a tad weak. The 30" w/ the 150gr tips shot bullet holes. This was at 6ft though. So, I think I will go down from 145gr. tips with the 100gr. inserts to 125gr. tips. I believe it was you Shawn that suggested that to begin with. Real happy with my groupings though. A little more fine tuning and think I'm there! Hope they fly as well out of the 56#@28" Morrison Cheyenne that should arrive soon.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2008, 07:30:00 PM »
I agree totally with Labs. I don't have the option of cutting my arrows(32" Draw Length) but even if I did. I believe that I would cut the arrow to my desired length. Then start playing with point weight. The 50 &100 gr. inserts really make fine tuning carbons a peice of cake.  DAVE
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2008, 10:19:00 PM »
I had two C.E. 150s and two 250s cut to my (not Shaquille O'Neal's) desired length- 29.25". I then had a 50 grain point insert and a 100 grain point insert installed in each. For around $5, 3-Rivers sells a field point test kit with the following points: 2-100 grain, 2-125 grain, 2-145 grain, 2-175 grain, and 2-200 grain, & 2-250 grain points.

Because Widows tend to shoot hard (typically requiring a little extra spine), I had an hunch that a C.E. 250 with a 100 grain insert and a broadhead in the 145-200 grain range would put me in the ball park.

Not surprisingly, a 125 grain point showed stiff, as did a 145 grain point. 175 grain point was still indicating slightly stiff- too stiff anyway to allow for the addition of fletching. A 200 grain point resulted in a slightly weak shaft. As a shaft transforms from being too stiff to too weak, you know you're getting close. After a quick fletching job using my trusty fletch tape, using my 5.5" nanners to viagra things up a bit, I ended up with a perfectly tuned arrow in about an hour.

Shooting 53#s, my 29.25" maxi fletched C.E. 250s require a 100 grain brass insert and a 200 grain field point or broadhead. Using a 75 grain steel broadhead adaptor, this will allow me to choose between various 125 grain broadheads including the Wensel Woodsman, Zwickey Eskimo, Magnus Snuffer or two-blade, etc.,etc. LOTS of options!

Incidently this arrow weighs in at +/- 630 grains- about 11.9 gr/inch without requiring weight tubes, weight adaptors or the blessings of a Shaman warrior.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2008, 10:54:00 PM »
If I get all the info I need, I can usually get people very close. results may vary some, but I am usually close. Shawn
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2008, 11:49:00 PM »
Thanks guys! Thanks Shawn. I do appreciate kicking this around. It has been helpful and will provide an easier and clearer path to take next time.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2008, 09:32:00 AM »
just measured my shafts this am on my way thru the garage.   the precut-fletched CX's I bought at wally world were 28.5"  since I decided to use the same point weight on the raw shafts I cut them to the same lenght.  (I had said in an earlier post that I thought they were 29.5...but now that I think about it after measuring, it makes sense since I adapted a  'sort of' draw check by having the back of the bhead touch my finger, at 29.5 I'd have to have a mightly long finger for a short italian guy... :)

these shafts are all CX terminators 45/60.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2008, 07:25:00 PM »
Can you use the Gold Tip weights with the standard aluminum inserts that come with the Carbon Express arrows, or do you need special inserts?

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2008, 07:43:00 PM »
Yes, they are threaded to fit the standard CE inserts...I tried them before I got the 100gr. inserts.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2008, 07:47:00 PM »
Just a side note on these shafts...I went to the archery shop today and shot for awhile. Properly tuned arrows have made me a better shot! I had several groupings touching each other in or just outside of the bullseye. Because you can tell where the arrow will go when released it gave me the confidence to hold on the target better. Great satisfaction seeing that arrow hit the bullseye. I was surprising some wheel guys next to me I think!
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2008, 12:12:00 AM »
I second that snag.  I started trad in 99 and always tried making my own woodies (either from purchased raw shafts, martha stewarts, hand planed ash, or shoots.)  The problem I had was consistency....I'd basically end up with a quiver full of disparate arrows.  It was my foremost concern leading me to carbons in 07.  since then I'm way more confident in my shooting (and I shoot more often because of it...I was always discouraged at loosing or breaking arrows when practicing.)
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2008, 12:23:00 AM »
Just finished tuning some Heritage 250's to a 60lb at 30" Tomahawk longbow. They ended up at 31.25" with a 50 grain insert and 125 grain head. These bareshafted just a tiny bit weak and fly great fletched up.Total weight is 572 grains.

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2008, 01:20:00 PM »
I have a bunch of woodies that are going to make good stumpin' arrows...or bunny arrows or a grouse or two.

I am extremely impressed with the force these CE w/ weighted inserts hit the target with! They are going all the way down to the fletching at times! I am feeling really good about using these on elk and deer.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2008, 04:34:00 PM »
I have found that you can change the dynamic spine a little by twisting up or down your string a little. It changes the last point the the string leaves the bow, thereby changing the parallelex. I would do this before I cut off any arrow length,If I were that close.

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2008, 06:05:00 PM »
Just finished up mine.
29 1/4" with 200 up front was dead on, 225 were a little weak. I figure I'll have a good choice of heads this way(100 gr inserts & 100 or 125 heads). Total arrow weight 558 gr.
Oh yea, 58# @ my draw of 27".

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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2008, 06:28:00 PM »
That's a good point Rybo. Having a good choice of heads is a plus. Even though I do love my Simmon Interceptor 160gr. heads. I will have to go down in bhd. weight.
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Re: Tuning Carbon Express Heritage 250s
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2008, 06:57:00 PM »
Snag,
I shoot 250's cut to 28" with 50 gr weight internal and shoot Treeshark mounted up on 42 gr aluminum long adaptor. Finished arrow is 605 grains with 250 up front. Flies great out of my 54lb at my draw Griffin longbow and my 56lb Morrison Cheyenne. Some days it seems that I cannot miss with this arrow, it just goes where I want it, almost effortless. And YES, it hits with authority ! My son complains pulling arrows, and some he cannot pull when I miss outside the vitals where the foam is more dense. Remember, I said I shoot pretty good some days !

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