Holmie or Mollie

[va]

Help me out here.  I have seen both bow types listed and examples shown but for the life of me I cannot tell the difference.

It wouldn't matter except I thought I was making a Holmie for my bro-in-law who is of Danish descent...

call me cornfoosed

[okie64]

I'm not sure if there is any difference in the design. I think the mollie is older than the holmgaard but I'm not 100% sure on that. I'm sure someone else will chime in here that knows more about it.

[John Scifres]

cornfoosed

I only recently figured out what folks were talking about with a "Molly".  Looks to me like they have thicker ends, more like asiatic siyahs than the Holmegard.  They seem to be longer too.  I don't really like the looks of them but understand the efficiencies gained.

[Stiks-n-Strings]

I just done some research on this subject and there is a significant difference. I will get my info together and post it here.

 I just finished a hackberry mollie and it is a sweet shooter for sure. I'll be back later to post more.

 Stiks

[Stiks-n-Strings]

Here's a quote from another forum

The difference between a Holmegård and a Møllegabet is a much discussed subject. Both artefacts are from denmark; the Holmegård bow (6500-7000 B.C) is a complete bow (two bows actually...one which is incomlete iirc) and the Møllegabet bow (5250-5070 B.C) which consists of a mid/outer limb section.

The holmegård is (in my oppinion) a pretty straight forward pyramid bow:

The shoulder (ONLY one limb has what might be inferrede to be a shoulder) is so insignificant that I would hesitate to call it a defining design characteristic...it did not have true, stiff levers. The shoulder on one limb could have been made for a number of reasons....but the second bow also have a narrow outer limb, which leads me to belive its intentional at least. I have no doubt that this functionally was a pyramid bow...maybe tillered to have slightly stiff outer limbs (reconstructions indicates this)

The Møllegabet is a true lever tipped bow (IF its is a bow....I belive it is):

Admitted...it could have been asymetrical, but there is little doubt that the preserved outer limb was none-workning.

Normally the name "Holmgård" is used about lever tipped bows...I belive that is incorrect;-)

Cheers

[Stiks-n-Strings]

here's a pic of a holmie

 

 Here's a pic of a mollie

 

[Stiks-n-Strings]

double post

[Stiks-n-Strings]

here's another quote from another forum.

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Holten, just to get things straightened out, I've got a question. What woods are the three bows made of? The one Møllegabet , the complete Holmegard, and the incomplete Holmegard?

Furthermore, there is very little data available on the incomplete Holmegard. Do you happen to have a picture/drawing of that incomplete artefact? I'm wondering if the profile of that bow is any different from the profile of the complete Holmegard.

Funny that info so old is so hard to obtain in this day and age:-(. A paper from 1945 descibes two bows, but The National Museum reports fragments of 4 bows (iirc). The only material on the second, larger bow fragment, I could find is this drawing:

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[okie64]

Great info Stiks. I just finished a holmgaard for my son, it was a 40# hickory bow and shoots really smooth and fast. I'm with John though, I dont really care for the way they look either.

[Stiks-n-Strings]

I kinda like the way the mollies look with the levers. The one I built came from a piece of hackberry I got from John. Came in a little lite but it's a great shooter. Some guys like'em and some guy's don't.

 I like anything with a string and no wheels.    

 From all that I gathered a holmy is more or less a pyramid bow with stiffer tips and a less defined shoulder on the limb and a mollie has very pronounced shoulder at the lever fades.

 Stiks

[NYArrow]

I just received a molly from Ken and had the same question for him. According to his definition a holmie is allowed to bend slightly in the levers. A molly is very rigid with no bend at all in the levers.

[Buemaker]

This is the first published picture of the Holmegaard bows in the book from 1945. Bue--.

 

[Buemaker]

This is the piece of wood they call the Mollegabet Bow.In another forum we joked about what it could be and I think the conclusion was that the object was used to launder clothes by beating, but only fine clothing such as ladies silk nickers. It could very well have been a bow, I guess. Bue--.

 

[beetlebailey1977]

Originally posted by Buemaker:
This is the piece of wood they call the Mollegabet Bow.In another forum we joked about what it could be and I think the conclusion was that the object was used to launder clothes by beating, but only fine clothing such as ladies silk nickers. It could very well have been a bow, I guess. Bue--.

 

LOL yep wash them clothes. LOL

[Buemaker]

About the Holmegaard bows. In the book from 1945 they say that pieces from a couple of other bows were also found and that one of them seem to be a bit different from the others. That is all they say about that matter.If there is of interest I could try a rough translation from the Danish text. I must warn you though that my English lacks some when it comes to translate from a book  Bue--.

[Buemaker]

Here is a couple of pics I took of the original Holmegaard in the museum in Copenhagen.  Bue--.
 
 
 

[va]

wow

the info just keeps getting better.

i guess my brother-in-law is getting a Mollebegat.

i can't spell in danish

va