Thanks Steve, been experimenting with nock height, and I figured out this bow really wants to be shot 3 under. I have tried 3 under with every bow i have and i never could get past the added noise. doesn't seem to affect this one. turns out i really like 3 under, shrinks my gaps and really lets me gunbarrel the arrow, making even my snap shots not that bad. I have been in a bad slump for a couple weeks, missing deer targets at 15 yds. i almost never miss a 3d target, and the last two shoots i have missed several. Im nailing my home target out to 20 after two days of 3 under. I think it wants to be shot that way because of the way i tiller. i support the handle from the center and pull the string from the center. i know some people make a point to pull from where their hands are going to be, and of course that makes sense, just haven't done it. any thoughts anyone?