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Author Topic: grizzlys? bloodtrails?  (Read 1779 times)

Offline Terry Green

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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2008, 12:03:00 AM »
If I run a 4 blade through an animal with a razor sharp head....I'm going to get MORE blood on the ground than a razor sharp narrow 2 blade run through the animal in the same exact route.

Once you release the string, the arrow has a route that you can't change, and if you pass through that animal on that path, a 4 blade is going to leave more blood sign than a narrow two blade of the same sharpness.......more vessels cut, more blood will enter the body cavity, and the hole a 4 blade, or 3 blade, will create will let more blood escape the body cavity than the slit of a 2 blade...ESPECIALLY on hogs.  I've seen it time and time again trailing other folk's two blade hits on deer and hogs.

The real question is do you have enough power to push a multi blade head completely through an animal???.......I'm confident I do, so I shoot multi blade heads most of the time on the game I hunt...and have no problem blowing through them like they are a sheet of paper unless the off shoulder or leg bone is hit....but its too late then anyway, and I either see them go down in sight, or hear them crash on a dead run.

If you don't feel you have enough power, then a 2 blade would be best for you regardless of the blood trail left....most important to pass completely through the animal for the best blood trail no matter how many blades....and than the edge is still sharp after the fact.  Too narrow of a bevel and you'll likely roll the edge with any bone contact...even a rib going in, that will likely cause less blood loss internally to escape on the ground.

There's a whole lot more to consider on a deer than the shoulder, and there's no guarantee that you'll get through the shoulder with a 2 blade...but its pretty much a sure bet that if you goof toward the much larger area of the guts, a multi blade head will not only most likely pass clean through, it will cause more damage and trauma.

I err away from the shoulder on a deer for that very reason, as if you do pass through the shoulder, you very likely can miss the vitals, by hitting above and forward of the lungs, and have a long tracking job....Yep, I've done it in TX twice, as the deer there not only are crazy, they just don't duck, they duck and wheel making your perfect shot a not so perfect shot.

I consider shots on hogs much more closely as their vitals are much more forward.

Just take into consideration your quarry, and what it will take to pass clean through, and make sure you know how to put a PROPER edge on the head of your choice.

Best of luck to ya.
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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2008, 12:26:00 AM »
it actually died from a pulmonary embolism (IMHO).
 I tracked it until dark; and it rolled down a slide rock area just above me; and stopped in some brush. I went back to my truck and pulled up as close to the spot as I could; and then went up with my flashlight to find it.
 After a couple hours of looking; I returned to the truck; and realized it was laying dead in front of my truck; about ten feet from my bumper; but out of the headlight beam.
 Apparently; after I had left to get the truck; it had fallen the rest of the way to the bottom of the ravine- right to the parking area and the beginning of a no-vehicle area.
 
 The wound kept bleeding and I think eventually an air bubble(s) worked its way to the lungs.
 If the blade (IMHO) had torn the wound; instead of slicing it; the wound would have clotted up; and stopped bleeding.

  I sharpen with a file; preferably a mill bastard file; and I leave no burr left when I am done.  I have shaved my neck with broadheads I have sharpened that way.

 If a burr is small enough; it (IMHO) has the ~potential~ to come off as it enters the animal; and might thus: leave the rest of the cutting to a scary sharp ...burr-less.. cutting edge. Again in my humble opinion..
 
  I really think keeping the sharpest edge possible is something we need to encourage every bowhunter to strive for. I believe you should shoot every broadhead/arrow set up; and then sharpen that sucker until its scary sharp.

  All to often on television hunting shows; I see someone shoot into a foam target and then put the arrows into their quiver; and state "now I am ready to go hunting".

  Even Fred Eichler did this on one recent show of his; although I believe with all my heart he sharpened those heads before he hunted with them; or replaced the blades. I trust that part was just edited out..... but it would be good to see it edited back in- as part of future shows !!!

   
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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2008, 01:59:00 AM »
I had just watched the Masters of the Barebow Vol II DVD, and in it Fred Eichler made the comment that he does all of his practice shooting with broadheads (unless he's at a 3D shoot or something).  I would guess he keeps a set broadheads for practice that stays completely separate from his hunting heads.

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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2008, 09:28:00 AM »
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If I were shaving my face, I certainly would take the smoothest edge I could find....  
No doubt about it Joe! That razor needs to be smooth so it will "glide" effortlessly across your face.

A serrate shaving razor would be a terrible idea. It wouldn't cut hair worth a darn and would grab and dig into the skin at first touch and make you bleed all over the bathroom.
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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2008, 09:44:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
A serrate shaving razor would be a terrible idea. It wouldn't cut hair worth a darn and would grab and dig into the skin at first touch and make you bleed all over the bathroom.
:readit:    :goldtooth:  

Well David, the good Doc and I don't agree on everything. Not sure if the "most stink" comment was a dig or not...but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it was not. As I said, I use both...both have been very effective for me. If I ever lose an animal because my non-honed edge doesn't do the job (or vice versa), I'll switch to one method exclusively. Until then, I'll use the wide variety of sharpening techniques that are best for me. Good luck with what you choose to use and your results certainly speak to the validity of your conclusions...but don't degrade others equally proven methods and experiences.
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Re: grizzlys? bloodtrails?
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2008, 12:23:00 PM »
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If I were shaving my face, I certainly would take the smoothest edge I could find....  
No doubt about it Joe! That razor needs to be smooth so it will "glide" effortlessly across your face.

A serrate shaving razor would be a terrible idea. It wouldn't cut hair worth a darn and would grab and dig into the skin at first touch and make you bleed all over the bathroom. [/b]
But Charlie according to the Doc. it would coagulate and stop bleeding before you leave the bathroom.

Where with that super duper super smooth razor honed edge you would still be bleeding until you drop from the massive blood loss    :biglaugh:  

In my humble some times smelly opinion.

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