Arrow toughness advice.. footings

[Eric Krewson]

I ran an archery club for about 15 years, we put on at least 100 tournaments during that time.

Anything you put in a target that is bigger on the head than the shaft is going to pull a plug out of the target when you pull arrows. My experience is from aluminum arrow days and I found a 2117 head on a 2018  shaft will pull a quarter sized plug out of a target on arrow extraction, at least on the Mckenzies we used. One shooter with mismatched point/shafts would be a human wrecking ball on our targets.

We put a lot of money and effort into our tournaments for very little return so a guy who didn't care if he tore up the targets was strongly cautioned to be more considerate in the future.

[DanielB89]

Daniel I'm serious. I'm in the market for new arrows and not the brand I've been using for years. I'm looking for some lighter spine arrows for a few bows that I have that are lighter in poundage. So I don't want to waste my money on substandard arrows. Please post which arrows are going down in quality so we will all know what to look out for.

Thanks

Terry,

somehow I missed your post the first time.  The arrows i'm referring too are beman center shots.  They come in at around 9.6 gpi and have always been very good to me.  I am not sure what the deal is with this batch, but I broke 3 or 4 of them of them in a very short period of time.  I purchased a 3d target and it's a smaller rhinehart hog target, the metal stake in the leg goes all the way up to below the body line.  I have hit it a few times and split a couple.  Now, it only split 1/2" up the shaft and I was able to salvage the arrow by cutting that part off an footing it.  Another time I shot over the target and hit and tree and it did the same. 

All of those problems were solved by footing it. I think i'll continue to foot all mine just for peace of mind.  I don't want a failure when i accidentally hit a shoulder. 

[GCook]

Daniel I'm serious. I'm in the market for new arrows and not the brand I've been using for years. I'm looking for some lighter spine arrows for a few bows that I have that are lighter in poundage. So I don't want to waste my money on substandard arrows. Please post which arrows are going down in quality so we will all know what to look out for.

Thanks

Terry,

somehow I missed your post the first time.  The arrows i'm referring too are beman center shots.  They come in at around 9.6 gpi and have always been very good to me.  I am not sure what the deal is with this batch, but I broke 3 or 4 of them of them in a very short period of time.  I purchased a 3d target and it's a smaller rhinehart hog target, the metal stake in the leg goes all the way up to below the body line.  I have hit it a few times and split a couple.  Now, it only split 1/2" up the shaft and I was able to salvage the arrow by cutting that part off an footing it.  Another time I shot over the target and hit and tree and it did the same. 

All of those problems were solved by footing it. I think i'll continue to foot all mine just for peace of mind.  I don't want a failure when i accidentally hit a shoulder.

I have that same target.  The GT Warriors have had a couple of fails hitting that and solid object but the Black Eagle Vintage shafts have held up fine.

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[Longtoke]

What size aluminum are you using for those small shafts. I have some 600 centershots I would like to foot

[Terry Green]

thx

[BigJim]

I should have my new Big Jim "Dark Timber" arrows in about a month...+- and although they aren't indestructible, I have found them to be very tough.
Just playing around last week, I shot a 500 spine with no footing in to an oak tree and then three times through one side of a 55gal  steel drum.
Unable to damage it, I turned to a cinder block and fired away. The insert was pushed back a 1/2". I flexed it and shot it again. Another 1/2"!  After 5 shots in to the cinder block, my arrow was about 2"s shorter then when I started, but otherwise un harmed.
There was no footing on the shaft and I was using a 67lb bow at my 32" draw do test the durability of the arrows.

I will have more out there when they are ready, but they will take popular components and at a price point that will make every one smile in a good way.
All that and a very attractive wood grain pattern on all spines all the way out to 800 spine!
BigJim

[Alexander Traditional]

I should have my new Big Jim "Dark Timber" arrows in about a month...+- and although they aren't indestructible, I have found them to be very tough.
Just playing around last week, I shot a 500 spine with no footing in to an oak tree and then three times through one side of a 55gal  steel drum.
Unable to damage it, I turned to a cinder block and fired away. The insert was pushed back a 1/2". I flexed it and shot it again. Another 1/2"!  After 5 shots in to the cinder block, my arrow was about 2"s shorter then when I started, but otherwise un harmed.
There was no footing on the shaft and I was using a 67lb bow at my 32" draw do test the durability of the arrows.

I will have more out there when they are ready, but they will take popular components and at a price point that will make every one smile in a good way.
All that and a very attractive wood grain pattern on all spines all the way out to 800 spine!
BigJim

They sound good Jim,who's going to be making them for you?

[BigJim]

They are coming from a reputable company that I've been working with for a while.. They are imported... as are most of the other companies.
BigJim

[Tedd]

I think there are plenty tough arrows but they are often heavier than you need for deer hunting.
Here is a link to the Victory catalog the specs on Grizzlystiks. I think it is page 20.
https://www.victoryarchery.com/Catalog-Hunting/
With the Grizzlystik TDT you can get a really tough arrow that is not overly heavy.
I've been shooting them for months with no failures, the insert/outsert works fine. The carbon around the front end is thicker than the typical carbon shaft. I don't feel like breaking one to see how tough it is but I haven't found the limit of them yet.
The shafts that I had most recently had trouble with was the Axis Woodgrain. I always knew the were fragile to  side impact but they also broke right behind the insert when using 250 grain points and long broad heads.
Tedd