I just bought a Martin Dream Catcher that came with a custom grip, its a larger full grip with a very slight palm swell which reminds me of a Asbell style grip. I have not had a chance to shoot it or tinker with it as of yet. But I can tell its a huge difference from my other Martins that have a high narrower grips with a mild thumb rest in relation to a Fedora style grip. I was raised shooting my dads Browning Cobras and Stalker which had a similar grip without the thumb rest. A matter of fact I almost just bought a Browning Cobra off vintage bows. org because of those memories. I also remember my brother telling my dad that he didn't like the grip on his new Black Widow because it was so uncomfortable. I will never forget the look on my brothers face when he walked in and seen my taking a rasp to his brand new Black Widow,,,LOL. After some fitting, some stain and polyurethane my brother had a perfect fitting custom grip that he still shoots today. Grips is a personal choice, what works for one may not work for another. Best of luck finding what's comfortable and suited for you. JMG