Switching carbons, what do I try next?

[brackshooter]

Thinking about getting rid of the Grizzly sticks I just got for something else.  For some reason, they dont fly so good for me.  Anyway, I need something spined like a 340, but want something tough, cause I do a lot of stumpin and small game hunting, and my arrows tend to get beat up.  Was thinking carbon express, but I m not sure of the spine of the 350s.  Any suggestions?

[The Whittler]

What kind of bow, weight, draw length ect. Someone will sure to come along and help you.

[stump man]

brackshooter:
  going to the O-suc tommorrow (sat 3rd)?  2mi east of Dallas on the right (headed west, look for signs). plenty of trad shooters (100-200) to parly with, exchange/test arrows shoot different bows etc., 50 3-D targets,  Eat Oysters deep fried turkey etc etc, Beer, get new ideas. Carefull however, you may get turned on to woodies.
   Brackenbury himself use to come to this one when he was still with us.

[ishiwannabe]

If you "foot" both ends of a regular carbon they get pretty tough. Good luck whichever path you go down.

[scriv]

I only have experience with the carbon express.  No complaints. Others say they are durable as it gets.  I've not found reason to question it.  I bought them because they were heavy.  Hope it helps. dave

[Daddy Bear]

I'm no carbon expert as I've used 23/64" cedars tapered to 5/16" for quite some time. But, Ted Fry talked me into trying the woodgrain AD Trad arrows recently. All I can say is they are completely foolproof out of my longbow. It's pretty hard to find bad flight out of them.

Mine are the standard weight Trads cut to 29" w/ 5.5" shield feathers, aluminum nock adapters, 5/16" Merc nocks, AD inserts, 100grain steel adapters, and 160grain Grizzlys. I added a 1/2" 2413 footing to the shaft and a .160" 2413 spacer to fill the gap left on the adapter behind the Grizzly. Total weight is approx 660grains w/ a measured FOC of over 22%. At 63# draw from my longbow, they fly perfect to my eyes. I cannot see how a hunting arrow could shoot any better.

I've got several combos of hunting heads to include the old Tiger Claw, a Tiger Claw w/ the claw/screw head removed and a Bludgeon installed, and a modified Bludgeon w/ the claw and screw head inletted and installed over the end; all combos fly to same POI as the Grizzly.

later,
Daddy Bear

[Rob DiStefano]

AD Trads cover a wide range of bow weights (and shooting styles).  I was extremely impressed when I tried out a few for the first time - they bareshaft flew as perfect as can be outta bows that were 15# apart in draw weight.  Pricey, but in this case ya gets what ya pay for.

[Blessed One]

I love my gold tip traditionals. 5575's fly great.

[vermonster13]

AD Traditionals spine 300 the Lites spine 350

[Steve O]

Boy, the ADs I have stump shot with didn't hold up to well.  I've had real good luck with the skinny carbons...Axis or MFX Beman.  I never thought I would say this, but I happened into a few Full Metal Jackets, and they are MUCH tougher than I anticipated.  I ceter punched an oak last night and that FMJ took it right in stride.

[Daddy Bear]

Steve O,

What's weak on the AD Trads? I've sunk a Grizzly to the footing into my woodpile and had to cut it out w/ a hatchet. Same arrow hit a steel pipe and held up fine. I kept shooting clean through a foam target/backstop w/ the sharp Grizzly hitting the stuff behind it. I hit a bunch of hard stuff w/ both a Tiger Claw head as well as a Bludgeon and everything held together great.

Granted the JB Weld and footing adds a bunch of bearing surface to the front end hardware, and the nock adapter w/ the 5/16" Merc nock seem bomb proof on the tail end; but, that aside, I don't see any weakness in the shaft itself as they seem very stout front to rear.

Daddy Bear

[Gordon martiniuk]

Try 250 carbon express they are very tough also if you put 100gr brass inserts you will have the best there is if you try 350cx arrows they are very stiff and wont fly good unless you are pulling 70 to90lbs  

[brackshooter]

Good responses, i shoot longbows, 31" draw, both bows in the 63-70# range.  Carbon express is what I am leanin towards, but it would help if I knew the spine on the 250s and 350s.  Anyone?

[Steve O]

I busted a lot of nocks and split the nock end on the AD shafts.  I like having an indexable nock and didn't want to sacrifice that with a glue on adapter.

[vermonster13]

You can put the A/C/C 28 uni bushings in the ADs and have tunable nocks.

[Chris Surtees]

IMO AD Trads and Trad Lite's are the toughest arrow I have ever shot. Been letting some the guys in my team shoot a little. I have watched my arrows get put into 3/4" plywood, and bouce off marble floors and hit concrete walls. Have not had one break and so far all I have had to do is replace 2 nocks and glue a couple inserts and adaptors back in. All I can say is I am personally sold on AD and have been for years.

Plus they are the easiest shaft I tuned and can be shot from a wide range of bows.

The ACC uni bushings are the ticket as well. Only complaint I have is Easton does not make a yellow G nock yet.

Good luck with whichever shaft you choose.