Vaariation on the rotation draw

[PrimitivePete]

I've been experimenting with my draw and I am really happy with the way I am drawing. I use the rotation draw method but instead of it being linear I draw up and drop into my anchor. I find I get a solid lock up and it eliminates some anticipation in getting to the anchor if I used a more tradtional drawing method.

[McDave]

I also use the rotational draw method.  When I first viewed your video, I came away with the feeling that you weren’t doing the rotational draw the same way I was, but I had to draw in front of a mirror to figure out what the difference is.  You draw in an upward direction and drop down into your anchor, as you state.  I draw in a downward direction and raise up to my anchor.  Don’t know if it makes any difference; different strokes, I guess.  Anyway, I like the rotational draw too, and can’t imagine drawing any other way.  It makes it easy to get into my back muscles, and I think it is easier on my shoulder as well.

[mahantango]

That's basically the way I draw, but without that double clutch in the middle. Seems much easier on my old beat up shoulder than a more linear method.

[F. Dobbs]

Whether linear or horizontal rotational draw, you will end up in the same place. 

[mgf]

My understanding is that the "rotation" in rotational draw refers to the movement (tension and direction) of the string side shoulder and elbow. That doesn't necessarily result in the same full draw position as pulling straight back on the string...different muscles.

[McDave]

My understanding is that the "rotation" in rotational draw refers to the movement (tension and direction) of the string side shoulder and elbow. That doesn't necessarily result in the same full draw position as pulling straight back on the string...different muscles.

My understanding of the rotational draw is that it is a method that facilitates getting into the muscles that should be used to draw and hold the bow, i.e., the lower trapezius. It also helps us to avoid use of the muscles that should be relaxed, like the muscles of the hand, forearm and biceps.  There are several different methods of drawing the bow that can accomplish the same result, but the goal is the same: use of the back muscles and relaxation of the forearm,  biceps, and hand muscles at full draw.  Is your understanding different from this?

[mgf]

My understanding is that the "rotation" in rotational draw refers to the movement (tension and direction) of the string side shoulder and elbow. That doesn't necessarily result in the same full draw position as pulling straight back on the string...different muscles.

My understanding of the rotational draw is that it is a method that facilitates getting into the muscles that should be used to draw and hold the bow, i.e., the lower trapezius. It also helps us to avoid use of the muscles that should be relaxed, like the muscles of the hand, forearm and biceps.  There are several different methods of drawing the bow that can accomplish the same result, but the goal is the same: use of the back muscles and relaxation of the forearm,  biceps, and hand muscles at full draw.  Is your understanding different from this?

I guess my understanding is what I said it is. I'll take you're word about the other methods.

[mgf]

Starting at 3:50 this is the best explanation of the angular motion that is the heart of the "rotational draw". Jake Kaminski by way of coach Lee.

[mgf]

Jake elaborates and demonstrates the rest of the draw in this video on loading and load position.

[McDave]

Both are good videos.  The thing that first caught my attention was the photo of Kaminsky from above showing the degree to which he is able to reduce the angle between his bow arm and the arrow.  That's about as close to actual “bone on bone” as I can imagine.  I can't reduce my angle to that degree, because of insufficient range of motion of my head, primarily, but after seeing that photo, I realized that I have let my angle slip over the years.  It shows up in draw length.  I thought it was just old age shrinkage that reduced my draw length from 28” to 27.5”, but when I focused on rotating my shoulders more and reducing that angle to the extent I can, I find that my draw length is right back at 28” where it was 10 years ago.