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Offline derekdiruz

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Where should I make centercut?
« on: March 23, 2023, 10:35:45 AM »
Brand new to bow building, and I've been thinking through my design I'm working on. One thing I'm stuck on, is how far I should cut to center/past.

3 piece R/D Longbow, 1.5" wide on the riser.

A little background, I'm a full time woodworker, and huge traditional archer. Competitive, hunting, general fun. I'm stuck on where to cut to center, because I'm a huge wood arrow shooter. 11/32 and 23/64 POC are my medicine. I want to make this bow easy to tune, specifically to my wood arrow set ups. I'm building a 3 piece so I can work on limbs and riser independently, so when I have one I like, I can just work through the other. My gut instinct says for sake of ease, I'd cut the shelf 16/64 past center (.25"). Therefore, when I put a 1/16" strike plate on the shelf, the true center of the (11/32) arrow is true center of the bow/string. Is this pretty typical, is there a standard? Thoughts?

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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2023, 10:36:53 AM »
Forgot to mention, I'm designing/cutting the riser on my CNC. So, when I'm shooting to be exact to 1/64" of an inch, I'm very specific in that lol

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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2023, 11:44:23 AM »
I'd do as you are planning provided you will have enough meat left in the riser for safety.  Did you ever notice how so many of the pleas for help tuning are from the carbon shooters?
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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2023, 12:59:30 PM »
I'm probably wrong, but my theory is I want the arrow to have to bend a little passing riser to make all arrows flex the same direction.

 It wouldn't take much ... :thumbsup:
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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2023, 02:12:37 PM »
What wood for the riser :dunno:

I want .700 (just under 3/4") thick left after cutting in the site window.
But you want to be wider (about 2") at the width (picture 2)





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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2023, 06:53:35 PM »
Two layers of glass on the front of the riser or an off center Ibeam or accents between the deepest part and front of the riser can all help when you go past center. I am like Kenny I like my arrows to have some paradox. I have had a couple of bows cut 3/8s past center and did not care for them.
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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2023, 07:40:52 PM »
I cut mine to about 1/16 to 3/32 short of center on RDs but usually a little further out on an ASL but maybe further in on ASLs under 40#.  Wood is so much easier to tune with,  at least for me.
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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2023, 07:43:57 AM »
I cut 3/16 pass center but I do use a 1/4" G10 I beam

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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2023, 11:48:47 AM »
I cut 3/16” past center. My thoughts are you can always pad the window out to tune if you like. In my experience you can run stiffer than normal spines if you run closer to center shot.(the arrow closer in line with the string vs out to left a long ways)

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Re: Where should I make centercut?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2023, 03:35:08 PM »
My center cut , or to-center cut depends on the type of bow i'm building and the grip shape. The sculptured grips with a nice thumb ledge seen commonly on recurves, can be incorporated into R/D long bows as well but typically require a thicker riser block to start out with.  For a standard center cut up to 1/8" past center an 1.75" thick block is fine.  Once i start going 3/16" or more past center, i use a 2" or thicker block that is typically footed or has an I-beam for reinforcement or strength.

In your case you have a 1.5" riser block for an R/D long bow. I would not recommend cutting any further than 1/8" past center, leaving a 5/8" thick section for the strike plate area to work with.

As far as tuning arrows go, to can cut it to-center and easily adjust spine for arrow paradox.  I personally like about an 1/8" past center, then use a velcro strike plat that brings it back to center.... Tuning arrows to a true center cut placement of your arrow on the shelf (3/16" or more cut)  will allow a larger range of arrow spines that can be used, but can change your sight perspective when shooting....

I know that may sound strange... But hear me out.... If you are used to shooting a true center shot set up with stiffer shafts or small diameter shafts, the way you look down that arrow aligning for your shot is different than a bow that is cut to-center with your arrow sitting slightly off center at full draw. 

With both type shelf cut risers and well tuned arrows are used. here is an example:

 When you switch from a to-center cut riser that you have been shooting, to a 3/16" past center cut riser , the first thing you will notice is you are shooting way right on a right handed bow...

Why?  because the arrow is setting 3/16" further to the right on your shelf at full draw when you are aiming.

 The exact opposite is true if you are used to shooting a 3/16" past center cut bow, and pick up a to-center cut riser bow.  You will find yourself shooting way left at 20 yards.... It's your sight picture at full draw that you have developed... Its tough to switch back and forth between the two with good consistency....

Sorry to get so long winded here.... But to answer your question, it depends on what you are used to shooting. In most cases, guys shooting a long bow off the shelf, their bows are cut just to center up to 1/8" past, and build out their strike plate as part of the arrow tuning process. Or  tune their arrows to what ever type of strike plate material used.  Velcro is soft, and will tune differently than using a hard leather strike plate. The hard strike plate typically requires more precise spine requirements and tip weight adjustment, and typically use a stiffer shaft than a soft strike plate does..... A softer strike with arrows tuned a wee bit on the weak side is more forgiving of a less than perfect release in my experience.....   

I would recommend 1/16" - 1'8" past center and use velcro strike plate for your best bet for a universal set up for either Long bow, R/D hybrid,  or recurve. Shelf height ty[pically ranges from 3/4" to 1" above center of your riser.      .05 cents worth...   Kirk
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