Arrows too heavy?

[Kingwouldbe]

Lash, you might be right on your numbers, I just know it's harder to get good FOC with a longer shaft.

Read Doc. Ashbey report on extreme forward of center and the huge advantages that come with it.

I am shooting a 670 grain arrow with a 160 grain grizzly and 100 grain steel insert 27.5" long with 4x3" feathers with an 8" wrap my FOC is 20.43% out of a 63lb longbow

I will be working up a shaft with 25%+ ExtemeFOC like the doc recommends for max penetration

[rg176bnc]

Sometimes weird things happen.  I bet you caught him on the ridge in the scapula.  I would chalk it up to bad luck.  You could probably try that shot 50 more times and get 49 kills.  The deer was the lucky one on this day.

[Terry Green]

Shoulder blades are not guaranteed to be passed through...no matter the head or arrow weight.

Its best to stay away from the shoulder, and not crowd it on whitetails.  The biggest and most lethal area is behind the shoulder.  The center of this area is well behind it.

I know, they can spin on ya and all bets are off, and if they do spin, its like a boxer rolling with a punch stealing a large percentage of your power.

Tuff break, I feel for ya.

[J-dog]

YEah it stinks but sometimes bad luck is bad luck. I think Ashby himself said when you make an actual hunting loss, you do not get a chance to see what went wrong. (I know I butchered that quote so please dont shoot me Doc!)

Be sure your arrows fly well, which you probably already have done, and then keep rolling with what you got.

J

[Lashbow]

I was shooting some arrows in the basement yesterday. One of them missed the target went through my 1/2" plywood backstop, and stopped when it hit the concrete 10" behind the backstop.
When I pulled out my arrow the insert pushed into the shaft just a little, enough to start to split the shaft. That tells me there is plenty of momentum on that setup, the difference is I was 15 yards away. I dont know how much another 15 yards would make, But I will try to get a little closer next time. There is always next time. Thanks for the input
Lash

[Terry Green]

Sometimes your arrows are flying better at 30 yards than at 15...so you can't really bank on 'distance'.  What little speed difference there may be could be made back up in straightness of flight. Also, trying to think about one or two yards intstead of shooting can be a distraction of focus for accuracy.

Arrows aren't bullets, and shoulder bone shots should never be advocated.  

Most important is to learn to shoot with great accuracy....and take the right shots.  That will go MUCH farther than two steps closer, some other head, or trying to turn your arrow into a 'magic bullet'.  

You can't 'buy' a shoulder blade pass through...But passing through the ribs is free all day long.

Learn to accurately shoot your bow, and most all these other issues are mute.  Accuracy Trumps Everything.

[Chris Wilson]

Arrows aren't bullets, and shoulder bone shots should never be advocated.

Most important is to learn to shoot with great accuracy....and take the right shots. That will go MUCH farther than two steps closer, some other head, or trying to turn your arrow into a 'magic bullet'.

You can't 'buy' a shoulder blade pass through...But passing through the ribs is free all day long.

Learn to accurately shoot your bow, and most all these other issues are mute. Accuracy Trumps Everything.

Yep, preach on brother Terry, preach on!  

[Dave Lay]

Good question, I am doing roughly the same thing, I shoot 60lbs and 565 gr. Zwickey delta,but have shot through more than one scapula but if ya hit the joint, there is no getting through that. I am considering going to 675 gr with the delta which would be going from about 9.5 gpp to 11.25 I know its better on the bow but not sure about penetration on deer/pigs and maybe a bear now and then... so I am glad ya asked that.. i also really dis agree with james on the lighter set up...

[breid]

First deer I shot with a bow jumped the string and turned at the same time.  I was shooting a compound (75# draw with 2219's), pretty heavy set up, the deer turned just enough that it hit the shoulder and the arrow slid down the ribs.  The arrow then went in and took out the liver and guts.  I got lucky.
The next year, I hit one in the hip joint and it blew through the opposite shoulder, you just never know what can happen.  (same compound).
Hopefully I can get one with my recurve one of these days.

[overbo]

If your set-up is well tuned w/ your draw lenght and bow weight w/ that arro weight that thing should crush what ever it hits.That deer would be dead if you hit him where you discribed.
Something happened that the naked eye didn't pickup in the heat of the battle.30 yrds at an alert deer.Alot can happen.
As far as adding weight to your arro.Go for it if it gives you more confidence.As for making your setup penatrate better,should but w/ that long draw and a heavy arro,I'd say you're pretty well equipted.
I shot a 800+lbs bull elk while he was on a fast walk at 30yrds last season w/ a 65lbs @27'' / 560gr total weight w/ a Ace 2 blade.Went thru the scalpula and centered the rib under the blade and went between the ribs on the opposite side.

[Lashbow]

It must have been when he jumped the string the movement caused lack of energy. Well I feel more confident with my set up. I will practice and go after him this year, He'll be bigger