light weight carbons for longbow - Help

[cdi3d]

I am looking for some lightweight carbons for a new longbow I have coming The bow is 48#28"- This bow will mainly be used for 3d shoots - squirrels and aerials and to stay in shape over the winter months - I would like to find some lightweight carbons that I can get to scream from this thing but I do not want to have much of the weight tinker factor - I would love to be able to adjust oly by cutting the shafts - What shafts should I look at?  I only shoot woodies now so this is why I am asking - Thanks
Mike

[buck-tamer00]

easton st epic 500 would be perfect for what ur hunting for, and cheap to!!

[Shawn Leonard]

It is tough to recommend a shaft unless we know mmore about your bow. Is it a hard R/D design a stright limb, etc. Is it cut to center or past center. Is it high performance or average performer for its design. The 500 is plenty stiff and even full length ya may have to add quite a bit of point weight. Shawn

[bgram]

Try the Easton Excel, they are a little cheaper than the epics, and with what you want to do, either the 500's or even 600's may work for you.

[James Wrenn]

Easton lightspeeds in the 500 spine.Leave them long enough so you can use 75 or 100gn points.For a bit heavier but a lot cheaper get the beman venture 500s and do the same.

[jmiller]

James Wrenn nailed this one.

[Shawn Leonard]

Guys, ya cannot give trhat advice without knowing more. I shot 500s out of a 49# @28" SS Shrew and I left them 29.5"s and still needed 175 grains up front for them to bareshaft right. Shawn

[jacobsladder]

First question.. whats your draw length??
#2... you probably dont want to go under 8 grains per inch. For the bows sake. Is there an offset in the riser?  Are you shooting a fast flight string?  We need more info to give good advice.

[cdi3d]

My draw length is 28" - No offset in the riser (that I am aware of) - This is a lost Creek Longbow - 58" 48@28 - I hope this helps - Looking at the Beman ventures they are 7.3 grn per inch - is this a problem?  - If all else fails I made some ramin shafts up today that are 525 grn - 5/16" diam - 53# - Gotta love ramin - Just looking for something to help me remove the arch on those long shots -

Mike

[Carbon Caster]

Mike,

Pete Ward shoots a bow of almost the SAME exact specs.  He is shooting one of the carbons from Dennis (get-r-done archery) a sponsor here.  Best deal in Carbons that I am aware of.  I would email or PM Pete and ask him his setup for his bow to give you an idea of where to start in the tuning process.  That, and I would go peruse Dennis' site and check the prices on the carbons.

[jacobsladder]

Some bowyers recommend 8 grains per pound of draw weight.  You may want to check with your bowyer. I really like the carbon express heritage line. You would need the 150. Folks tend to tune their carbons by taking off 1/4 inch at a time until they fly good.  The carbon express will accept the internal gold tip weights so you can play with point weight to increase or reduce spine. The CE150 is a bit heavier at 10 grains per inch.  I dont think youll see much of a difference at 20 yds and in.  Theres a bunch of carbons that will work. Just remember that carbons stiffen up real quick if you take too much off while shortening.

[bjk]

If the 500's don't work (you will likely need a fair amount of weight up front) 3Rivers sells a 600 series, I believe for just this type of thing.

[southpawshooter]

Carbon Express Thunderstorms - they're a youth arrow and come 29" long.  Real inexpensive and fly very well outta lighter bows.  They're 8.4 grains/inch, so you're starting out with a good weight.  I've shot them in bows from 37# to 54#.  If you have a Gander Mountain nearby they are relabeled for them as Whitetail Hunters - in the 3050 spine.

[Pete W]

You can go to light and do damage to the bow. I have 100 gr brass inserts on all of my arrows. It's your bow.

 The best price will be from Dennis at Git-er-done.  http://git-r-donearchery.com/  A 45/60 with 100 brass, and 125+ point left long should be workable. There is no magic formula, you have to tune with length and point weight. Perfect Flight is better than speed.Nothing is worse than a 1 piece bow with 2 piece limbs. Don't go to light.

[James Wrenn]

Shawn those arrows you needed 175gns on if left longer would have needed a lot less.I personally have never seen any bow in that weight range I can not shoot 500 spine carbons from.Some just do it with shorter arrows or heavier points.As long as you are close to 8gns any decent built glass bow should be fine shooting that weight arrow. jmo

[cdi3d]

Okay - Where do I get the 100 grn bras inserts for beman venture shafts?  I know 3 rivers has them but they have 2 sizes - Anyone know which ones I need? Doh - Now I know why I have always stuck with woodies -

Mike

[Shawn Leonard]

James, I disagree. Bareshaft some and see the results. I shoot a 48# high performance recurve and still need 175 up front and 29"s long. Yes ya can fletch them up and they fly good, but I am talking better than good. I see guys shooting carbon all the time they say fly perfect from there bows when in fact they are way too stiff, yes left longer willwork, but who want 2-3 or even 4"s of arrow hanging out past the riser. Shawn

[James Wrenn]

Shawn I do bareshaft tune at 40yds.The centershot of bows makes the big difference between what point weight is needed.I don't shoot long arrows since I like all my arrows to be the same length.The 46lb longbow I am shooting now is a bit weak with 500s cut 29" with 100gn points.I used 5" feathers to stiffen them up enough to use 125gn points.I have other bows lighter and heavier in weight but have none that will not shoot a 500 spine carbon with weights from 100 to 175 gns.I really don't understand how some guys can use the brass inserts and all that weight on some of there setups.They must have short draws or bows cut nowhere close to center?

[jmiller]

I'm still with James.  I've got some Lightspeed 500's that bareshaft a little weak out of a 43@31 longbow.  I had to go down to 85 grain tips.