What am I missing here with FF?

[trashwood]

Man ya guys don't know nothing about noise.  I like to shoot olympic risers and ilf carbon limbs.  I have compound shooters duck when I released   .

yep pad the loops.  don't trim the fuzzy stuff off the loop braid and don't wax the loops or braid.  of course for on some bows that is just the getting started.

rusty

[Shawn Leonard]

I have shot both and for me and my bows D-97 is much quieter than B-50. The B-50 seems real twangy to me. Guys who shoot with me always comment on how quiet my bows are. I do use wool yarn aroung the string ends and wool for silencer or fox silencers as well. Shawn

[LBR]

The reason there is more noise is because the string is less stretchy.  

That can cause more noise, but it's only one of many causes.  I shoot a little less than 10 gpp with a 30.5" draw and I have no problems with bow noise.

Other causes are a nock that fits too tight, a bad release, arrows off spine, incorrect silencer placement, etc. etc. etc.

He's shooting a 600 grain arrow from a 50# bow with the Dynaflight '97 string, so I don't think arrow weight is the culprit.

I agree that some bows seem to "like" one material over another--danged if I can figure that one out.

Chad

[Jeff Strubberg]

On my bows, TS1 isn't louder, although it's definitely a higher pitched sound than dacron.

Don't forget, you are right next to that bow when it goes off.  The sound you hear is likely not even close to what a deer 20 yards away may or may not hear.

[Night Wing]

Thought I would add my thoughts to this topic.

I have a Blacktail Elite TD bow. She's 66", 42# @ 30". She's   not a light bow physically because the riser wood is basically made up of two exotic woods; cocobolo for the main riser, a heavy wood and footed with shedua a medium weight wood. The limbs are bamboo. She's strung with Dyna97. I don't know how many strands make up the string, but Norm Johnson's wife, Kathy, makes the strings for Norm's Blacktail Elite recurves. The brace height is 7 1/2". There are a pair of rubber cat whiskers attached to the string. I shoot a 32" Easton aluminum XX78 2215 arrow and with a 150 grain point, the entire arrow weighs 550 grains. This comes out to 13 grains per pound. I also use a tab. The bow is whisper quiet upon arrow release. No string twang. I believe the string has the proper amount of strands combined with the heavy weight of the riser (overall weight of the bow), the use of a heavy arrow and rubber cat whiskers dampens string noise.

[killinstuff]

If you are using TS-1 try making an endless loop string to get the most out of it. That's what I shoot on both a R/D and D shape longbow with half a cat whisker on either end and both bows are real quite as well. Woolies are nice but cat whiskers are better.

[indianalongbowshooter]

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[indianalongbowshooter]

Try catwhiskers instead of wool puffs or string leaches, puffs dont seem to always work with D-97..

[Apex Predator]

Well, after all the advice I've decided to build a new string with padded loops and try some cat whiskers on this one.  Right now I have to go glue up another bow.  I'll keep you all posted.  Thanks again, Marty

[Glenn Newell]

I use 8125 and fast flight strings on all of my bows, even selfbows, and have always found them to be quiter than dacron, as others have said I pad the loops with dacron. String silencers are often placed too low to work properly, I have  found them to work better if they are closer to the limb tips instead of halfway down the string...Glenn...

[Mike Mecredy]

In reality, considering the cost between B-50 and low stretch string, the difference in performance isn't really worth it.  Especially on a recurve.

[R.W.]

I am using "String Leeches" on my fast flight strings.

These absorb vibrations, and being quite small, I doubt they slow the string down much.

These have worked well for me on a mild R/D longbow (Mississippi Lakes Longbow) a 7 Lakes Longbow (mild r/d) and two Dryad R/D bows.

All these bows are quite quiet once you have them tuned.

Apex, with your handiwork skills, I am sure that you will get this sorted out, and have your bows shooting a quiet as death, soon enough.

Good Luck with your newest project.

[Apex Predator]

They shoot very quiet now with dacron, just trying to fix something that ain't broken I guess.  Thanks for all the input folks.  I love this site!

[Jeremy]

Mike, The performance difference is like shooting a bow that's 5-10#s heavier.  I consider that significant and worth the extra cost, especially on selfbows where you really want to tweak a little more out of it.

Having said that, I'd shoot it even if it were slower.  I prefer the crisper feel of the shot and decreased handshock and noise.

[Ringneck]

I use the d-97 and pad the loops. I also use string leeches and a heavy arrow. My bow is very quiet.

[TNstickn]

Wassup Marty!! Man, I've been having the exact same problems you have with the 97. My bows are quieter with the dacron. I was so confussed at first, I even broke out the baby powder to see If the noise was coming from my arrow hitting the riser somwhere. No luck. Changed arrow weight, spine, length, carbon, wood, aluminum, no luck. Tried not putting on string silencers for all my test with both the dacron and the d97,figured it was obvious that the puffs would quiet the string in the end. Have come to the conclusion that this particular bow out of the herd just likes dacron. It really pi$$es me off too cause Its one of my favorites. I've not given up hope on it yet. When I can afford it I will try a diff. FF material and see if that makes any difference. Ive tried every thing above and none made the difference I was lookin for. Hope we can come up with something that works for everybody. I think some just have not heard what a longbows whisper sounds like.

[Arwin]

Every bow that I've owned that had F.F. on it was loud to me, no matter what I tried. B-50 all the way!!!!

[Apex Predator]

Well I twisted up a new string last night.  Twelve strands of D97 with 4 extra strands of B50 woven into the string loops.  I tied on some cat whiskers.  Noticeable difference!  I then started moving the whiskers around on the string.  I found the sweet spot only about 8" from the tips.  Now it's almost quiet enough to hunt with.

[tradwannabe]

you might want to consider upping the total weight of your arrows. absorb more of the energy. i would go stiffer spine and add tip weight not reduce it. If you have a crono, do a before and after with what you have now. then change shaft weight and stiffness. you may find with the added weight the speed is the same and the noise has come down to what it was with b-50. BUT you are now putting more energy into the air(arrow). Faster usually makes more noise.