DR ASHBY ON LOW POUNDAGE BOWS ?

[O.L. Adcock]

Bjorn, check your PM's. ...O.L.

[Bjorn]

You da' man OL!

[novahunterpa]

Originally posted by O.L. Adcock:


Yep...My experience with the big folks employing NS engineers, with testing capablities far beyond us shadetree wantabee's, and deep pockets aren't interested in anything other then the status quo. It's fun watching flight records set by the likes of Hoyt, WinWin, ect..fall to "longbows"...
     ....O.L.

O.L.  Why doest it  have to be this way.  One would think that the the large arrow and broadhead manufactures would have much more to gain financially in testing and pushing the limits of arow and broadhead technology and putting out the highest quality product they could.
While some products the sell are good,most are just gadgets, that only help there bottom line and have no real value to the bowhunter.

Again ty O.L., the good DR. and the many, others that have tried to advance the sport and push the boundaries, of arrow technology.  I just hope that someday you are all appreciated for your contributions and just just buy the trad community but by the bowhunting industry and community (wheelie guy's included)

[LATradHunter]

this thread kinda makes me wonder how native americans and natives of other continents tuned their equipment.  I mean, its easy for us to go online, order shafts, have them delivered to our door, use precision tools to tune them for perfect flight, analyze weights and spines, etc.  They musta been good to just eyeball their measurements, feel the right weight, and watch the arrow flight... I read an article in a bowhunting magazine one time that said one tribe (lakota, i believe) 5 arrows was worth a horse.  They sure were valuable. just some thoughts....

[MikeW]

^^^^^
Maybe that's why they were such good trackers.
   :p

[Ray Lyon]

OK, my taxidermist friend was trying to get his son set up for archery deer season.  His son is using a 30# Bear Cub bow.  He was trying to work up some heavy wood arrows for him and I stopped him.  Instead I set him up with Easton Axis Junior (skinniy carbon shafting)  shafts (left full length at 28"). 100 grain Grizzly broadheads with 100 grain steel inserts (200 total grains). This made for a just under 500 grain arrow. He limited his son to 12 yard shots and he was very accurate at that range.  His son shot a doe and a 5 point buck in a weeks time and was probably drawing 25". He had a very short season for an 11 year old boy, but with the right setup and as Rusty pointed out so correctly, the right accuracy, he was a successful hunter with extremely lightweight gear.  I'm sure that a more modern bow with modern string would have upped his speed, however the sharp Grizzly broadhead, heavier FOC and skinny carbon shafts shot accurately were the driving force here (every pun intended).

[O.L. Adcock]

Ray, That was good advice...The skinny arrow part of this equation, I have no doubt it has something to do with cross sectional density. All of the Doc's recommendations are nothing more then energy retention and drag reduction. In the flight stuff, many think we try to get arrows as light as possible, nope....The arrows I was shooting in the 18kg class last year were solid carbon (which isn't light) with music wire core up front for high FOC...Sound familiar?   ....O.L.

[BLACK WOLF]

O.L,

Thanks. Have you discovered a formula yet to determine the balance between arrow weight, arrow speed and FOC to determine the best arrow for flight competition...or is it just trial and error still right now?

Ray  

[O.L. Adcock]

Ray, No formula....There seems to be a best compromise with wood arrows around 5gr/lb. Carbons seem to be lower and seems to be tied to the cross sectional density. We can pack more mass in a smaller space! With the same external diamensions the heavier ones definately carry better.....O.L.