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Offline caleb7mm

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wood arrow question
« on: November 19, 2008, 04:27:00 PM »
Im obviously doing something wrong. Anyone tell me (or pictures) how to properly glue on a field point, I have cedar shafts and glue on 160 FP from 3 rivers. the arrow does not fit into the fp, so I assume you have to sand it down? This is my first time doing this so take it easy on me, I dont want to ruin the first batch I ever try. all 11/32 by the way.
 

Ive sanded some down so they kind of fit, I cant get one to spin right no matter what I do, I have a 3 rivers pencil type taper tool and it works great for the knocking points.
please help, im over shooting carbons and want to go wood only.

thanks!
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Offline Big Dave

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 04:36:00 PM »
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If you tapered them with the other end of pencil sharpener the they should be pretty close , you can heat them and turn them around while hot will make them fit.   David
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Offline jlnft

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 04:39:00 PM »
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Offline caleb7mm

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 05:03:00 PM »
thanks dave! Ill try that,

jlnft, pm replied!

thanks guys.
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Offline 5deer

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 06:17:00 PM »
after you taper them some times you have to cut a very small peace off the tip to get them to seat   :archer:
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Offline caleb7mm

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2008, 09:13:00 PM »
I got them on, heating them up worked, now I have to figure how to true them, 2 of em came out spinning perfect, 2 did not, and 1 broke while pushing on the fp.
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Offline Shakes.602

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2008, 10:24:00 PM »
Just Keep Telling Yourself:  :thumbsup:   "Man this is FUN!" "Man this is FUN!" a "Mantra" I think Its called! It Gets Easier the More You Make!! Sounds Pretty Good for a 1st Timer, just Keep At It!!  :archer:
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Offline Dave Bulla

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Re: wood arrow question
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2008, 03:34:00 AM »
Do you own a table saw?

If so, put a coarse sanding disc on it and make a plywood jig with a V-groove cut at 11 degrees to the sanding disc.  Clamp it to the table saw and feed your shaft into the sanding disc while it's laying in the V-groove.  Rotate the shaft as you go.   It helps also to make some sort of adjustable stop at the end of the groove so all your tapers will be the same length.  The V-groove will keep the shaft aligned and you will get a perfect taper and the points will fit perfect.  IF YOUR SHAFTS ARE STRAIGHT, every one should spin perfect.  Make a note though, a crooked shaft will never spin perfect even with a perfect point taper.

Lastly, a little tip for fine tuning the jig.  Since cutting a perfect 11 degree V-groove is not always easy, just get it close and once clamped in place use a piece of spare shafting and grind a test taper.  Slip a point on with no glue and without pressing hard, gently wiggle the point side to side.  If you feel the point fits solidly and doesn't wiggle, do nothing to the jig and just start grinding your tapers.  However, if you feel the tip wobble at the opening, you taper is to gradual so (while the jig is still clamped down) tap the jig to increase the angle a tad and regrind and wiggle test.  If the point wobbled loose up inside but fit ok at the opening, the taper was too sharp so tap the jig the other way until a regrind fits perfectly.

Also, NEVER overheat your points.  Especially with cedar shafts.  Any point that is heated real hot usually needs to be put on with pliers and that's ok but you have to be careful to press and rotate the point straight onto the shaft.  I've watched guys who build LOTS of arrows use a propane torch to heat the open end of the points while holding the tip bare handed.  This works well and you won't likely overhead any that way but you have to not mess around.  Get them in the flame, keep them rotating for a second or two and as soon as you feel heat, get a dab of hot glue on the shaft taper and slide the point home with a couple spins.  A small bead of hot glue should push out around the opening.  Quickly put the tip against a table or bench top and press down with the shaft for a few seconds till the hot glue sets a bit.  While still worm but cool enough to touch, peel off the bead of glue that pushed out.  Points that are overheated can actually deform the shaft taper as you twist the point to spread the glue.  You can have a point that feels like it fits perfect after it's installed but it will spin badly because while you spun the overheated point onto the shaft with pliers, it distorted the taper off to one side.  It's weird.  Almost like the wood tries to melt (it actually just bends) and resets crooked if you have any misalignment while glueing it up.  Moderate heat of the point and then a melted dab of hot glue onto the taper, a quick spin to spread the glue and all should go well.
Dave


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