Kinetic bows

[Bill Carlsen]

Randy: I have my family  roots in NC so I will not tell you untruths. I have been at this archery thing for well over 50 years. In all then time I have only shot bows that I considered to be the best that I could find/afford. The DAS bows (Dalaa is the same bow from 3 Rivers) is just the best hunting bow I have ever shot in all that time. I've killed a bunch of stuff with it since I got one two years ago and my wife, who shoots one in the 43-46# range has put arrows thru deer and bear with them. They are the Cadillac of hunting bows and shine in every department that has to do with performance. Simply put....the best hunting bow on the market unless you have to have a wood riser.

[k9jones]

Thanks guys for all the replys.  I would like to shoot one some day.  I mainly did this post for a friend that is in the market for a recurve.  I personally own a black widow, and I am satisfied with its performance, but came across the Dalaa in a post, and found it very interesting.  If I was looking for another bow, the Dalaa or Master may be my pick.

[trashwood]

I have a Dalaa.  It is one of my favorites.  I have set the tiller to even.  It is the only bow I have ever had that I could shoot off the shelf split finger or string walking from the same nocking point.  I have three set of limbs for mine too.  they give me form 33# draw to 55#.  the limbs that are on the bow most of the time are a pair for Hpyt carbon/foam longs that at set to 44# at my draw.  3D, indoor 300, squirrel hunting, white tail hunting......it just don't get no better  

rusty

[DesertDude]

Well said  Carbon Caster.........

[twig]

I have a Dalaa with Three sets of limbs, Two camo in 50# @ 28 X 60"and 60# @ 28X 62" and a set of short ILF conversion Carbons that are great out of a blind 60# @ 28 X 58" I absolutely love mine.
Caarbon Caster has it right!!!

[Jaeger]

One thing to consider with the DAS/Dalaa is that performance is dependant on limb choice. There is a wide variety of available limbs with varying methods and components of consruction.
I would suspect that a set of Border HexV limbs would absolutely smoke out the DAS. The KAP Carbons have plenty of performance though and cost a whole lot less. I have W&W Focus carbon limbs and some Samick Agulla carbons and they are both smooth, stable and fast. (although the Agullas seem to have the edge)

[southpawshooter]

They are very good bows.  The adjustability gives alot of tuning options, especially for carbons.  Since carbons have such a wide spread between sizes that adjustability comes in handy.  Shoots dead in the hand and as quick as any top shelf recurve.  It's very quiet on the shot.  It can be shot off the shelf or with a flipper/plunger.  The grip is replaceable so that you can experiment with grip designs.  The limbs are the best I've ever seen in terms of torsional stability.  You just can't torque the tips on the limbs.  The availibility of new and used limbs is staggering.  Any ILF limb will fit the bow  with only a change of the bushings. The prices of limbs both new and used are very reasonable.  And you are not locked into a bowyer when you want a new set of limbs.

[abbgdr]

When I purchased my Dalaa I had 4 wooden bows left, all of which stacked to some degree as I have a 32" draw. In fact I had just recently broken one of my long bows while coming to full draw. As it is next to impossable to to find a good used bow with my specs I has been talking to  custom bowyer about having a bow built that would actually fit me. I was having a hard time decideing on what type of bow I was willing to pay that kind of money for, would I be best served with a longer lighter bow for everyday shooting, or should I go ahead and order a heavier weight bow in my preferred hunting weight with shorter limbs?  There was also the issue of the 10-12 week waiting period,,, and bear season is approaching. I had looked at the DAS bows but was very sceptacle that anyone could make a 62" bow that wouldn't stack badly at 32",  wouldn't have severe finger pinch and end up being an unstable shooter. After talking with several reputable people with long draw lengths who had DAS bows I went ahead and took the plunge. The absolute genius of this bow is it's ability to be set up in such a way that it can make the best use of a limbs power stroke to fit each persons individual draw length,,, even out to my 32". I have two sets of limbs about 8 lbs difference in weight that are both so smooth that after I first put the heavy's on I was thinking I had gone too light. I don't have a chrono but I'm pretty sure that 64lbs at 32" dl will take care of any of my hunting requirements. I ended up selling a Hoyt Tiburon that also had carbon limbs and silencing upgrades on it as there really was no comparison. The Dalaa is definately in a class of it's own when it comes to short hunting bows, quiet, smooth as butter, and cheap when you consider the used limb availabilty,,, and with the word getting out resale is definately not an issue. Best bow investment I've made to date.

[Elk Chaser]

They are DEAD in the hand on the shot, very stable, and the kicker for me, SMOOTH AS BUTTER ON THE DRAW CYCLE!!!!!! Mine gains about 1.75-2# per inch out to 30". They are very tunable either shot off the shelf or a rest and plunger. They allow you to play with shooting 3 under or split by the adjustable tiller. these are very tuneable I have paper tuned the master I have to a bullett hole
Guys are going to tell you they are HEAVY, but actually they are lighter than several takedown non metal risered recurves I have owned and shot, (Black Widow, Palmer, and a few others come to mind off the bat). The DAS master that I have is lighter than 60% of other bows.

Others will tell you that they are COLD, but they have a wood grip, and somehow the guys shooting those wheeled bows ALL have managed to make it o.k. in the cold without having their hands stick to the risers. I have hunted with Mine and there are no worries here the wood grip will not allow your have to stick to it like a child licking a metal lightpole in -40 degree weather.

This is my #1 go to bow the secong is a Border Black Douglas with hex 4 limbs

shoot it before yo buy it .
I am in Chicago your welcome to shoot mine any time
Bill

Carbon Caster said it all

[flatbowMB]

I've shot a couple and have to admit they are smooth, dead in the hand and fast for their draw weight (efficient)  BUT...

My wood/glass longbows are way lighter and they're very purdy.

I don't mean for this question to come across the wrong way, but;

Given that they are of similar weight and visual appeal, What practical advantage does a kinetic bow have over the latest (relatively light & quiet) compounds that are coming out?

[swampbuck]

"What practical advantage"

That depends on what puts a smile on your face.Folks need to do that and not worry about the silly stuff.No bow is all that for everybody includieng the wheel bows I'd sudgest trying as many as you can certain things will apeal to each of us and from there you'll have narrowed down the choice's but not eliminated them,there's still a good many bower's to choose from.The DAS is a fine bow for sure but ya still outta try it for yourself to see how it feels to you

[flatbowMB]

Good answer - makes sense.  How about the rest of yas?

[Naphtali]

Please forgive my getting slightly off topic. I need help.

I recently acquired a Dalaa riser for which I have been seeking foam core/carbon extra short limbs -- for a 56-inch OAL bow on 17-inch Dalaa riser. These are just not available ANYWHERE in 39-44# Dalaa draw weight @ 28 inches.

I queried on TradTalk for ILF extra short limbs. To make a long story less long, Border Archery will make limbs. They have eight different model variations. I have neither seen Borders limbs, nor know anyone who has shot them. But I have read only good things about their products' quality.

Since this is a lifetime investment, cost differences among the limbs is irrelevant.

Smoothness and stability between zero degrees and 70 Fahrenheit is more important than fps.

Here are the limbs available.

 

[swampbuck]

Have you checked the olympic archery site's?Those guys should know more about the limbs than most folks here includeing myself.I assume ya asked Dave Sosa the maker of the riser but even then the top target guys may have more to offer.Limbwalker may be able to help not sure if he comes here often but having made the olympic team he may be able to help.He likes his DAS for hunting and has been around the top target archer's too

[Naphtali]

Swampbuck:

I decided: In for a dime; in for a dollar. I'll order HEX5-H limbs, not because of any special knowledge, but because there's less than $150 difference among the H-series synthetic cored limb sets.

Sid assures me while the improvement in limb efficiency is incremental, HEX5-H is significantly more consistent than the earlier H-series limbs throughout its draw range, at all temperatures, especially as limbs become shorter. It also offers speed improvement. Speed is not a factor in my choice, but it's nice that it's there.