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Author Topic: Arrow Cutoff Saw  (Read 538 times)

Offline Steve O

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Arrow Cutoff Saw
« on: March 24, 2009, 11:01:00 PM »
I've tried the cheap Harbor Freight Cutoff saw...I obviously am doing something wrong 'cuz the ends are never square...and I don't like it.

I use my friend's Apple Saw and it is so NICE, but so expensive...

I hear all this talk about jigs and dremel tools with big cut off wheels, chop saws, ect.  Could you all post some pictures of your setups or maybe some instructions on how you built it.

No cedar here...those are for experts.  I'm a carbon guy, very little aluminum, mostly a little of both at the same time   :p

Offline Oliverstacy

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 11:05:00 PM »
Amen to the above...

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Offline Steve O

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 11:11:00 PM »
I've been watching buddy...

I'd get a Lone Wolf tree stand if I already had a Badlands pack...but I digress   :D

Offline Danny J

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 11:21:00 PM »
I had problems with it also but mine was with how I aligned it in my home made set up. Make sure it is square with the saw and finger tight  the saws clamp on the shaft. That helped solve my problems. It probably dont work as nice as a +$200.00 saw but for the money I wouldnt trade. I also use the G5 A.S.D. Alignemnt tool on the shaft and also the insert. No problems here.
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Offline Oliverstacy

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 11:45:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Steve O:
I've been watching buddy...

I'd get a Lone Wolf tree stand if I already had a Badlands pack...but I digress    :D  
For some reason this post made me laugh!!!  :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:  

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Offline amar911

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 11:46:00 PM »
Steve,

If you go to that auction site e*** and search for arrow saws you will see the American Archery cutoff saw with the in line on/off switch for $65 or a similar Weston for the same price. Of course there is shipping too. The Apple saw is $125 with the switch and is heavier duty. The less expensive models will work well, they just are not as robust and will not hold up as long. I have an Apple, but it is twice the price and you really don't need it if you don't cut a lot of shafts. A Dremel tool with the other supplies you need will cost as much as one of the less expensive arrows saws. On the other hand, you probably already have a Dremel, so if you want to try to use it, here is the advice I got from JC (Joe Coots) on the easiest and one of the best ways to use it.

Put one of the abrasive cutting discs on the Dremel. Mark the arrow all the way around at the exact length you want to cut it. Get the Dremel spinning and cut off the arrow at an angle about a half inch longer than the mark (this will give you room to cut parallel without having the extra length of the arrow shaft hitting the Dremel tool). Next, hold the Dremel tool so that the cutting edge of the disc is making a perpendicular cut in the shaft just a little longer than your mark on the shaft. Then hold the Dremel tool so it is pointed straight up with the disc on top like a little umbrella. Spin up the disc and hold the shaft straight above the Dremel tool with the cut edge of the shaft pointed straight down -- and bump the shaft lightly against the flat surface of the top of the disc to grind the end of the shaft to the line you made for length keeping the end of the shaft square. To really square the shaft, a G5 ASD can be used after the process with the Dremel. Unfortunately, the cheapest I have found a new G5 ASD is $32, so the inexpensive arrow saw starts looking very reasonable compared to buying the ASD. I will admit that I have the ASD too and it works very well for squaring up the ends of arrows as well as squaring the fronts of inserts. One nice thing about the Dremel tool and ASD is that they take up very little space and can be taken with you in your vehicle on hunting trips if you want to build arrows in the motel or even in your vehicle using a 110v inverter for the Dremel. You don't need the ASD if you are good at bumping the shaft with the Dremel to grind and square the cut end. You could even use that technique with shafts you cut with the Harbor Freight chop saw. Or you could buy the ASD and square arrows cut using the chop saw.

I don't know if any of this helps, but I'm trying. I'm sure others have all sorts of devices they have built that work well.

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Offline TomMcDonald

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 11:57:00 PM »
I use the cutting disk on a dremel then clean the end with a disc sander. It's always perfect.

Offline wihill

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2009, 12:50:00 AM »
The HF saw will work, but you need to change the blade out with a grinding blade, and not "chop" with it.  You need to roll the arrow into the blade as it spins.  I put mine on a piece of unistrut with a shelf in front of the blade to protect my fingers, and a sliding block on a 90deg angle piece as an nock holder.

Works well, if I had to I think I'd change the way I made the arrow shelf.

Regardless of what you cut the arrow with, a G5 ASD is the best way to square up the cut ends.  I use it with all my carbons.
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Offline Plumber

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2009, 02:22:00 AM »
I clamp my dremel to the work bench. Then I build up the table with foam poster board. About 6 inches wide an 18 inches long. tape the poster board to the table.the poster board will allow you a smooth surface to roll your arrow.also the poster board will raise the arrow into the blade .I have a tendency to shake when holding the dremel so I like to clamp it down.This works great but one day I am going to buy the apple saw just because they work so damm good!

Offline Steve O

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2009, 07:44:00 AM »
Thanks for the info gents.  I'd still like to see some pictures...

To give you some insight into what you are dealing with here, I have a ASD, but the grinding face of it is all gummed up with epoxy from facing off shafts before they were completely set   :banghead:

Offline JRY309

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2009, 07:54:00 AM »
I use a Harbor Freight cut off saw and get fine cuts.The key to getting a square cut is you need to be able to rotate the arrow shaft as you cut.I mounted mine on a board and made an adjustable stop for repeatable cuts.The stop I drilled a taper hole with a chamfer bit to keep the nock end centered as I rotate the shaft.I bring the saw blade into the shaft and then rotate the shaft as I cut it,you get a squarer cut.This is how the more expensive saws cut arrows and get a square cut.

Offline Pete Patterson

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2009, 07:56:00 AM »
I used my radial arm saw yesterday and it seems to work just fine.
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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2009, 08:38:00 AM »
I'll try and see if I can get a picture up of my rig - I need to figure out this 640x480 thing anyway.
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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2009, 08:52:00 AM »
Here are a few pics of mine. If you want more details let me know.

 http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=072294#000000

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2009, 09:48:00 AM »
Before I bought a cut-off saw I would put a die grinder with a cut-off wheel in my bench mounted vise.  I then took a shelf angle bracket and clamped it to the bench the correct distance from the cutting wheel. Viola, makeshift cutting tool.

I did end up drilling a small indentation into the angle bracket to keep the knock from slipping.  I cut several dozen arrow like this over a period of years.
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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2009, 12:04:00 PM »
You can get a replacement cutter for the ASD without buying the entire tool, or you could soak the cutter in acetone or MEK or whatever it is that will dissolve epoxy (I'm not sure what that is).

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Offline Steve O

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »
Thanks for all the tips gents.

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Re: Arrow Cutoff Saw
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009, 09:20:00 PM »
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Here are a few pics of mine. If you want more details let me know.

  http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=072294#000000  
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