Full Metal Jacket Arrows

[Schultzy]

Tomorrow afternoon I'm headed to the local archery shop to get some FMJ's for my recurve. I good friend of mine who knows his stuff told me what shaft to go with (340's). I'm pulling 61lbs at 27.5". This will be my 1st experience with anything carbon, I don't know jack about them!! The last 13 years I've been shooting 2216's with good results but thought I'd give these a try and see what I think of them and hope to get a good EFOC with decent arrow flight. My hunting set up will have 360 grains on the end of the arrow and 4" 4 fletch up front. I plan on bare shafting tomorrow to find the desired length with the best flight. This will be my 1st go at bare shafting. The guy at the archery shop Isn't In to traditional bows a whole lot, more Into compounds. Anything I need to know ahead of time with this bare shafting stuff and my FMJ's?

[Hattrick]

Steve, go to  Morrison Archery website(hes a sponsor here) he has a complete how to on tuning..GOODLUCK

[Downsouth]

I'm shooting a Cari-Bow Peregine which is 50lbs @28", which I'm drawing to about 27". I'm getting good flight with 500 FMJ's cut to 29.5" with 175 grains of brass inserts(two of them, one cut down) and with either a 100 or 125 grain point depending on which day of the week it is, lol! I also shoot Beeman MFX's set up the same way with similar results, though they seem to have a slightly stiffer spine.

[IronCreekArcher]

Don't get the FMJ they bend like regular aluminum arrows and once bent they are useless.  Get the N-Fused Axis arrows instead...they are either straight or broken.  Just my experienced two-cents...

[Steve O]

Shultzy, those are great arrows.

My bows are lighter than yours also, but this info may help you.  55@28 drawn to 29.5"

I use full length 340s w/125g broadheads and 30 1/4" 340s with 250g broadheads.

[wihill]

I love FMJ's, but the cost on them is    :eek:  

The major benefit of the FMJ's is the ease of removal from 3D targets.  Everything else about them can be matched with other arrows -

Consider the Beman MFX series, both the Traditional and Team RealTree series both weight in at 10.2gpi, the same as the FMJ's of comparible spine, cost much less, and are completely carbon - making it easier to check for microcracks or shaft damage than an aluminum coated shaft.

I shoot 400gr MFX's with a 150gr tip plus standard insert (18gr) from my 60# RER and they fly like laser beams.

If you're interested in a carbon/aluminum arrow without necessarily breaking the bank, GoldTip offers the CAA series, and I believe Blackhawk used to have an aluminum/carbon series also.

[hunt it]

Easton will tell you the Axis Nano Fused shafts are tougher and stronger than the FMJ.

[stalkin4elk]

I agree the fmj's will bend at the rear of the insert( while you can't see whatever is broken inside),they also flare at the end with a hard hit. I'll use standard carbons from now on. My .02

[Longbowz]

They most certainly are not the same as an aluminum shaft.  I've been shooting them for the last few years and have never had one take a permanent bend like an aluminum shaft would.  The aluminum is too thin to over power the carbon under it.  Flare at the end? Yes, but a carbon shaft would delaminate under a similiar impact force.  Funny no one complains that the Easton ACC's bend and they are the same thing as the FMJ's only in reverse.

I've destroyed a few but no more then any other carbon shaft.  No reason for you not to try them.

[JC]

Originally posted by IronCreekArcher:
Don't get the FMJ they bend like regular aluminum arrows and once bent they are useless.  Get the N-Fused Axis arrows instead...they are either straight or broken.  Just my experienced two-cents...

I have to agree with Ironcreek here, I have not been impressed with the 2 dozen FMJ's I've been through. While other's mileage may vary, mine have taken a bend/set that a normal carbon would not and they seem far more brittle/fragile than my standard axis type arrows.

Also as he mentioned, I think the n-fused are superior. I've got 1/2 dozen 340's and will certainly turn to them when my favorite discontinued shaft supply runs out; super tough.

[Schultzy]

Well I just got back from the archery shop and things went great!!! We bare shafted a 340 FMJ shaft with a 100 grain brass Insert along with a 250 grain field point. We started out with full length arrows and 1st had to adjust my knocking point a touch lower. After that we did a few small cuts on the shaft and ended up stopping with a 31 1/4 Inch arrow. Awesome arrow flight!! We even shot It through some paper to check the tear out, that was awesome as well!! The guy told me the tear was cleaner then most compounders get. Total arrow weight Is going to be about 750 grains. Man do they thump hard when they hit and the speed wasn't to bad either. I know It wasn't any slower then my 2216's are coming out of my recurve, heck they might even be a tad faster. I hope my Snuffers fly just as good when I get my arrows back after he gets them all fletched up. They'll be 4" 4 fletched white.

[Steve O]

Sounds like you are going to be good with Snuffers Shultzy      Glad to hear it went well.

[Schultzy]

Originally posted by Steve O:
Sounds like you are going to be good with Snuffers Shultzy         Glad to hear it went well.

Thanks for the Info Steve O!! Our arrow set ups are similar.  

[JC]

Glad it worked out for you. A perfectly tuned arrow is indeed a beauty to behold in flight. Run that snuffer through something...

[Schultzy]

Thanks JC! I'll keep In mind on what you and a few others have said also about them being a tad more fragile then one would like.

I appreciate all the Info from everyone, this Is a great site with an abundance of knowledge here!!