Yet another tuning question

[boznarras]

Here's my 2 cents.
My rig is a K-Mag 55#@28, and I draw 28.5 as close as I can measure. This is pretty close to what you are doing.
I had some arrows that were too stiff and already had the 125 grain broadheads, just like you.
I am shooting 2016's now, with the 100grn brass inserts, but I trimmed the full length shafts to 30 inches after bareshafting with the 100grn inserts just pushed in for test shots; they fit really tight. In fact I had to buff some of them a little with some 1500 grit to get them to slip into the shaft. After I cut to length I glued them in.
I too tried the variable weight points with the standard inserts, and found the heavier points to work better, and this is what led me to the 100grn inserts. I have not had any problems with that being too stiff, but as I said, mine are a little longer shafts anyway.
The brass inserts are maybe 1/2 inch longer into the shaft than the standard ones, I guess this is part of what others are talking about as far as internal stiffness, in addition to the weight being behind the tip instead of part of it. But the weight is still pretty far forward.
I also have 125g screw in snuffers and they seem to fly to the same point as the 125 field points when screwed into the 100grn inserts. (and mine are one piece, they don't come apart in any way)When I try the heavier test points now, I don't get any better flight, and definitely see the drop from the high end ones, the 175 and 200 grains. So I think I solved my problem with the inserts.
With the shorter shafts you have, you may well need to go for some more weight farther out to the tip, I guess. However, since you have this relationship with 3 Rivers, (who here doesn't?)if you wanted to try the inserts, you could get a dozen of them for $14 and try changing them out on a couple of arrows. I think I would put in a field point and heat that to let the heat soak in from the center, and try to pull it and the insert out with pliers. Who cares if I ruin the temper in a cheap field point? Then clean it up and put the brass insert in and see what happens.
If it works, it is cheaper than new broadheads, and if it isn't well you lost another $14, don't tell your wife about that either    .

[BWD]

I use JB weld. I have read where some folks use hot melt or epoxy. I would use something that allows you to spin your heads on your shafts, to get them true, before it sets up.

[BWD]

You probably know more about this than I do; however, you do not have to apply the heat to the broadhead. Direct it to the adapter you are removing for a few seconds at a time. It will start to smoke when the bond breaks. Be sure to rough up and clean the inside of the broadhead before you re-glue.

[mscampbell75]

Guys, I have heated the insert a good amount.  To the point I couldn't hold the head w/ bare hands.  And it doesnt seem to be glued in.  I havent dealt w/ glue ins before, so I'm not real sure how quick the glue loosens up and much heat is needed.  I Although, It seems that I applied enough that if it was going to come out it would have.  

So I guess my question now is if anyone knows if the make a "fixed" screw in type that isn't glued in?  This sure seems to be what I have.

[xtrema312]

I have never seen an aluminum without a glued in insert.  Typically on aluminum it will be hot melt.  That is HOT melt not real warm melt.  :D  When I heat them up to get them out, I can't touch the with my fingers.  I put in a field point and heat it with a standard bottle torch then pull them out with pliers.  I find it takes about 20 seconds with flame on tip to get it melting.

[mscampbell75]

I will try that again. May not be getting it hot enough.  Thanks

[boznarras]

After reading about taking the snuffers apart, I had to go get one of mine and look at it real carefully. I never tried to separate the threaded insert from the blades, but am now curious, so will follow this to try and learn something...
If you can't get them apart, you don't have much to lose ($14)by trying the inserts like I said before. Why not try removing a shaft insert to see if that much is easy to do?
By the way, when I was bareshafting with the inserts just pushed in I used a plastic mesh feed bag full of rags for a target; it occurs to me a foam target might hold the point and insert when you pulled the shaft out, and be a pain to recover. Although your shafts are already cut as short as you can use them with your draw, you might do this too before committing yourself by gluing them in place, or use some reversible adhesive like hot glue.
Good luck and let us hear how this goes...

[boznarras]

Seems like you are getting advice on two different things here. Removing the adapter from the snuffers and removing the inserts from the shafts. Heads up on that.

[mscampbell75]

Thanks, the adapter from the snuffers is my main concern at the moment.  I'm going to give that a go 1st. And, hopefully just get some steel adapters to get my point wieght up to where I can bareshaft a little weak.  If I can't I may just get some new arrows and start from scratch.

I'm in the pursuit of a perfectly tuned bow, arrow, and point setup (as close as possible) and will not rest until I feel confident that if my arrow doesnt go where I want that it was me and NOT my equipment.  But, my 1st step is to figure out these snuffers to get my point wieght up.  

[mscampbell75]

Oh yeah, I've talked my self out of the doing inserts, and dealing w/ what up front.  Wheather its being able to just get adapters for my current ones,or geting the glue head w/adapters.

I will see this weekend.  Thanks guys, your help is appriciated more than you know.  I dont have anyone local that deals w/ trad equip to turn to.
I do have an awsome archery shop for the wheelies just down the street, but they dont offer much in the way for trad setup.

[xtrema312]

I didn't read high enough.    I thought you were talking about the shaft insert.  

[mscampbell75]

Verdict is in.  They are glued in 25grn aluminum adapters w/ 100grn heads.  So I should have an easy fix, just get some heavier adapters.  Thanks guys for stickn it out w/ me and my lack of knowledge.  I will keep you guys posted.

[boznarras]

Well I learned something too, so thanks for the follow up. I guess I can take apart my snuffers too as an option and do what you did when I make up new arrows, instead of being tied to the weighted inserts.
Live and learn, hopefully.

[xtrema312]

 

That is what is so great about this site.  I would have never gotten really serious about trad bow hunting again without it.

I know what your talking about not having any trad shop around.  I also have a great archery shop like 5-minutes down the road.  I have know the owner a long time.  He takes good care of me, but not much help with tuning trad bows.  They do a lot of cutting on my carbon arrow for free with all my arrow tuning I do now.  They must cut each arrow about 6 times.    

[mscampbell75]

Ok guys!  Got my supplies in.  Changed out my 25grn aluminum adapters with 100grn steel adapters with the 100grn Snuffer heads.

My bareshafts, fletch field points, and fletch broadheads are all grouping together nicely.

Thanks guys for your help.  I am truly confident with my current setup.