Shoulder?

[BowMIke]

I believe Terry's shot placement would be great for African plains animals as well. Straight up the leg.

[Horne Shooter]

If you shoot a big boar broadside into the shield you better be shooting REAL sharp but mostly REAL heavy tackle.  Living here in Texas and hunting hogs most of the year, I'll shoot sows and smaller boars broadside and over the elbow (as shown) but if you shoot a 200 lb. plus boar in those spots your equipment will have to be similar to dangerous game set ups.  In those situations, if you are carrying regular whiletail gear (50 lbs, 500-600 grain arrows) it's best to wait for a quartering shot behind the shield and into the vitals.  I have LOTS of experience in this.  If you add 3 and 4 blade set-ups to the formula it's just that much more to push through the shield.  I've killed triple digit numbers of hogs so this is not conjecture or theory, but lots of experience on lots of animals.  My $.02

[NightHawk]

good discussion

[Guru]

I never have agreed with that hog diagram, after all, it's just someone's percieved placement of the vitals.......

Look at these....





Look at the difference at how the lungs and heart actually lay....

Heart and lungs are suspended in that diagram... what's holding them up there??

Look at the real pix...

Heart/lungs lay right on the sternum....

Terry's aiming point doesn't change though...straight above the leg is where you want it on a BS critter....

HS makes some very good points about quartering away on big boars    

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

I agree with Chuck and JAG about the unfortunate lack of understanding many bowhunters have about the vital organ placement and skeletal structure of a deer. In 2002 I took an NBEF class because a bowhunting organization that I joined required it. Out of twenty-five students in the class, only one was a youth with no hunting experience. The remaining twenty-four, myself included, introduced themselves as experienced hunters.

As part of the class, students were asked to "build a deer" by placing cutouts of the heart, lungs, liver, upper leg bone, and shoulder blade on a silhouette. Initially I thought this was a waste of time, until I saw the results, which were shocking. Out of twenty-four experienced bowhunters, I'll bet less than five did it correctly. Up until that time, I would have never guessed that so many experienced bowhunters had such little knowledge of the anatomy of their quarry.

I also agree with Terry about shot placement. Those deer diagrams perfectly illustrate the common sense that a lot of us are perplexed by actually having to defend. Hopefully, Terry will make a separate post about shot placement, using those diagrams, and make it a sticky at the top of the page.

[Guru]

Originally posted by Guru:
 

Originally posted by Jason R. Wesbrock:
[qb] I would have never guessed that so many experienced bowhunters had such little knowledge of the anatomy of their quarry.

Hopefully, Terry will make a separate post about shot placement, using those diagrams, and make it a sticky at the top of the page. [/b]

Amen to that, let's do it!        

[Terry Green]

Yeah Curt...that other pic I used is a bit more pronounced on the tilt.  What I was saying still applies on the low and back vs high and back.....

     

[Stiks-n-Strings]

Good discussion,
Now heres a question for Curt,

Where to shoot them wary ol gobblers? I've killed plenty with a smoke pole but I ain't even getting it out this spring. Only stik and string.

[Guru]

Kris, That's a whole other thread in itself bud....

But we'll get to that soon as well    

[Terry Green]

Also, on the comment about quartering to get behind the shield....if you watch the clip, you can see how far BACK the shield goes...its like in two sections with a seam for the front leg movement.  You may not be ablel to 'get behind' it and still have the right angle to get into the vitals.  

I think sharpeness if the most important thing on these type hogs whether 2, 3, or 4 blades,...you gotta be SHARP on how ever many blades you choose.

This was a 300+# sow WITH a shield that was passed through with a 60# longbow and a Zwickey 4 Blade that was SHARP.

 

The hog in the clip was shot with a 70# longbow and a WIDE 2 blade that stopped in the off leg bone with no exit wound.

 

BlockHead had both and entrance and exit wound with a SHARP Zwickey 4 blade from a 67# longbow.

 

[Terry Green]

Yeah guys...I think we need to co-ordinate a 'shot placement' thread so folks can see for themselves and choose where they want to aim.

I'll call ya later Curt.

[John3]

Well done with the pics. I had over a hour long chase/stalk on a hog that I shot the first time "exactly right"... Exactly where Terry's yellow circle is on the hog diagram above.  I was  lucky to be able to get the hog shot and killed after he backed into a brush pile waiting to come for me while I was blood trailing him.  I could not believe that hog just turned and trotted away after I shot through him the first time.

While field dressing I realized that my "perfect" was indeed too low.  

If I had hogs in MO I would be a hog hunting machine...!

[wv lungbuster]

^^^

[Stiks-n-Strings]

Looking foorward to shot placement thread.
It ought to be good one.

[jonsimoneau]

Terry has it right.  I like to aim straight up the leg, just above the elbow.  Works for me!

[charles m]

Those shoulder aiming advocates are even copying info written here and posting it elsewhere.  That's kind of cheezy isn't it?  Who are they trying to fool?

[ChuckC]

Thank you Terry

It is time.
ChuckC

[Kenneth]

Great thread!!!  Really like the info on the hogs as I've only killed one and it was a perfect quartering away shot.

[Horne Shooter]

In reference to the comments about quartering away shots for big boars.  Two things:
1.  67 lbs is pretty heavy...
I think most here don't shoot that heavy.
2.  I have killed big boars with little (or almost no) shield.  I have killed some under 200 lbs. that had them close to an inch thick.  
I shot a humongous boar last year right above the elbow and the broadhead snapped off where it met the insert--  My last shot with aluminum in my set up.  The pig probably thought he had been bit by a big misquito. The arrow literally bounced off.  He looked like a volkswagon with feet.  Anything short of a buffalo set up (in my opinion) would have been inadequate.  Quartering away might have done the trick..guess I'll never know.

[Terry Green]

Yeah Horn. They are tuff no doubt. The boar in the clip was probably 100#s lighter than BlockHead, but his shield was twice as thick and twice as hard.

I put up those pics and specs so folks will have something to go by and measure up their set up.