Terminal Performance Photos?

[Divinecedar]

Hey there! Does anyone have any terminal performance photos of broadheads (i.e. interior of hanging carcasses, etc)? I am just looking to see how certain setups work and examine the performance of traditional rigs. I am in the midst of an argument and attempting to explain why a 20 yard shot on medium game with a decent traditional rig is likely to outperform the same shot made with a .223 and varmint bullets.

Thanks!

[Charlie Lamb]

I seriously doubt you'll prove anything in that apples to oranges argument but here's a pic or two anyway.
 
 
   
   

[HATCHCHASER]

Convinced me Charlie.

[Killdeer]

What's "medium game"?

Killdeer

[K. Mogensen]

I'd assume smaller deer, antelope, ect. JMO. I consider larger deer, elk, moose, etc. to be large game.

[Stone Knife]

45# Bear Grizzly GT3555 with a four blade black diamond head 10 gpp total weight complete pass through, Helen Keller could have followed the blood trail    

 

[L82HUNT]

Hard to tell as the pic was taken back in the day with a polaroid.  This is a skinned deer and the outside of the ribcage bruised and jelled from the broadhead.  Something I have seen with a rifle but never like this with a broadhead.

[Killdeer]

I wouldn't use a varmint bullet on anything larger than a coyote. Look at all that edible meat in Charlie's hand. A hollowpoint would have trashed that, if it got to it. Lightly constructed bullets, varmint bullets, are made to expand on contact with small, thin-skinned targets. A deer will have the bullet blow up too soon for meaningful penetration, especially at 20 yards.

Even turkeys are classified as big game in Virginia, and as such require a bullet of 23 cal or above. No .223, .222 or .220 Swifts for big game. Deservedly so, too. But this is not a discussion about bowhunting anymore, is it?

If someone is hardheadedly adamant about hunting "medium" game with lightly constructed bullets, (or *gack* fmj's) from a sub-caliber rifle, I have no reason to converse with them. Plenty other folks around. Never argue with a fool...

Killdeer

[Al Kidner]

Wowza Charlie... as we say in aussie.... that last pic is a belta!


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[FrankM]

Must be one of those Avatar arrows.

[Divinecedar]

Originally posted by Killdeer:
I wouldn't use a varmint bullet on anything larger than a coyote. Look at all that edible meat in Charlie's hand. A hollowpoint would have trashed that, if it got to it. Lightly constructed bullets, varmint bullets, are made to expand on contact with small, thin-skinned targets. A deer will have the bullet blow up too soon for meaningful penetration, especially at 20 yards.

Even turkeys are classified as big game in Virginia, and as such require a bullet of 23 cal or above. No .223, .222 or .220 Swifts for big game. Deservedly so, too. But this is not a discussion about bowhunting anymore, is it?

If someone is hardheadedly adamant about hunting "medium" game with lightly constructed bullets, (or *gack* fmj's) from a sub-caliber rifle, I have no reason to converse with them. Plenty other folks around. Never argue with a fool...

Killdeer

Killdeer, that is EXACTLY, I mean EXACTLY what I was trying to tell him!

Thanks for the pictures everyone!

[Chris Shelton]

This is why dad was so open to me bowhunting   , he loves to eat the heart and liver.  So in the past if we would hit the heart with his trust old 30/30 it would most likely be no good, he shoots round nosed bullets too.  Hollow points are designed to put a varmint down quick.  I use hollow points with my 22lr., they are extremely devastating on groundhogs who, for the record, have skin almost as thick as the average whitetail.  I am talking complete pass through with exit holes the size of quarters.  These are the same bullets I use on squirrels and rabbits as well.  So if my bullet strays down the neck, the meat is toast.  Thank the lord that I was given somewhat of a superior shooting ability     .

So when I pick up a bow, even with a judo on small game the meat loss is minimal.  Which definitely helps with the hungry stomach.  So in that sense a  light bow set up would outperform a .223 at 20 yards any day.  Just show him that picture of Charlie's heart, that will dismiss any argument  

[James Wrenn]

 

[James Wrenn]

[ChuckC]

As described above... apples and oranges.  And. .  what does "out perform" mean?  Make something deader than the other?

Arrows kill in a different way than do most bullets.  Very slow moving solid lead round balls and the like are probably closest to an arrow but even those impart different energies.

Any well placed arrow will kill any game, large or small as dead as any bullet will.

ChuckC

[RC]