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Author Topic: Quiet my recurve  (Read 3881 times)

Offline Gentle-Savage

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Quiet my recurve
« on: August 01, 2018, 06:50:08 AM »
Recently bought a 50# black Hunter recurve from mandarin duck.
String silencer installed, brace height odd at 7 3/4".
I'm in a concrete walled room, target is 1 meter away. Very loud. Help?

Also... I embarrassingly strung the bow with the takedown bolt on the top only half way screwed in, I did not shoot it that way, but am afraid I have damaged it by stringing it for about 10 seconds like that
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 09:10:24 AM »
What is your bowstring material ?

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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 09:27:57 AM »
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 06:21:32 PM »
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2018, 09:06:07 PM »
What kind of silencers are you  using? I've found some to be effective, some not so much. What weight are your arrows?
The acoustics in that room are probably adding a lot to what you hear; does it sound the same shooting outdoors?

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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2018, 04:48:14 AM »
My total arrow weight is around 375 grains. 100 grain field point, 31" arrow @ 8.05 gpi.

I tried to get a 340 spine arrow but those are hard to come by in china unless you order hundres at a time, wo I am stuck with 400 Spine.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2018, 04:48:57 AM »
Could I bump up to a 150 grain field point for better performance and a quieter shot?
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2018, 05:15:16 AM »
Most bows will be noisy shot at 8 gpp. Try it at 10 gpp to see how quiet it is capable of shooting. That would be about 500 grains arrow weight, assuming you are drawing about 28”. 340 spine seems stiff at 50#. 400 or even 500 works for me for a 50# bow, but I’m cutting my arrows to 29”, so my arrows are stiffer than yours at 31”.  I doubt that you damaged the bow from stringing it up with the limbs not screwed all the way down, since you didn’t shoot it, unless you can see any obvious damage.

I don’t know the specs for that bow, but 7 3/4” may be too low for brace height. Most recurves have a brace height around 8 - 8 1/2”.  That can also affect the noise level.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2018, 08:25:04 AM »
Arrows are likely too stiff, as said; this will likely cause the shaft to hit the riser, which definitely makes noise. Try McDave's suggestion on those. If those silencers are for, get some high quality wool puffs, I've found them much more effective at quieting the bow. Play around some with placement - it makes a difference.

You might also try a different string; amazing how that can change a bow's behavior sometimes.

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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2018, 01:44:39 AM »
so to increase the gpp, can I just increase the field point weight or do I need to buy arrows with a different spine? I really want to stick with the 400 spine, can't return these and the wife is getting a little annoyed at the continuance of purchases haha.

small update: I have returned the bow and purchased another, also bought a higher quality string
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2018, 09:00:31 AM »
The correct spine is a function of the actual weight you are pulling, the length of the arrow, the weight of the point, and a few other things that we can probably ignore for now.  To know the actual weight you are pulling, you can either measure it directly, or measure your draw length.  If you measure your draw length, you will either be at 28” (from your video you are probably close) or you can subtract or add 2# from the given weight of the bow for every inch your draw length is less or more than 28”.  To measure your draw length, have your wife make a mark on the arrow where it exits the bow (which is called the back of the bow) while you are at full draw.  Then measure the distance from the mark to the bottom (the valley) of the nock.

Then you can either calculate the spine or bare shaft tune.  Bare shaft tuning is the most accurate, but not recommended until you have established a consistent form.  Otherwise, you can search for Stu Miller’s Spine Calculator, on the internet.  A lot of people have reported success using that, but I have never used it since I bare shaft tune.

What you will be doing is to select a point that will give you the overall weight you want, and then trimming the shaft until that point is correctly tuned for the bow.  Your 400 spine arrow should work fine for now.  You may need to leave it full length to work.  I recommend you select a point that will give you a gpp of about 9.  8 is pushing it on the low side, and is noisy and not that great for the bow.  On the other hand, many 3D shooters use 8 or even lower if their bows are designed for it.  Many hunters use 10 or even higher, because it is quiet and penetrates better than a lighter arrow would.  OTOH, it is slow.  So, as I say, 9 is a good compromise.

Of course, if all you’re going to be doing for a while is shooting indoors at 1 yard, and don’t have any convenient way of cutting the arrow, you can forget all this and just put the point you want on the arrow you have.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2018, 08:48:18 AM »
UPDATE:

got a replacement bow, limbs are now flush with the riser, which is good.

i also bought a nicer string, made also of Dyneema, 16 strands.

I am concerned about this string though. when lined up with the original string included, it is 1 CM shorter.
this gives me a 7 3/4 brace height with virtually no string twists. maybe 2 or 3. is this okay?! I was able to separate the strings with my fingernail while strung to insert my bow silencers, and am wondering if I should just wax it up and let 'er rip? I did fire off about 10 arrows and everything look, felt, and sounded fine. just the length and lack of twists required was a bit strange to me.

any comments or experience with this?
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2018, 11:35:15 AM »
The increase in brace height to 7 3/4 shouldn't hurt anything; might actually improve it.  Do you know what the recommended brace height on your bow is?  Strings usually stretch when new, unless pre-stretched, so the new string may stretch to your old brace height of 7 1/2 before long.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2018, 09:16:21 PM »
I would worry about the difference in string length. I would be curious as to what the bowyer or manufacturer’s suggested brace height range is. The reason being, if the bow liked a 8 1/8” bh, then that would add twist to the string and solve that problem. Like McDave said, the string will more than likely,  stretch and settle as it is broken in.

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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2018, 09:41:42 PM »
#1 thing: Anything is gonna be loud in a concrete walled room. Anything. Even my Hill style longbows with silencers seem loud in my garage, but out in the woods you can't even hear it from a few feet away. Get outside, in the open, and then see how it sounds.

#2: Your arrows are on the light side, and the nock fit sounds tight. Shoot for getting the arrow weight up to at least 10 Grains per pound of draw weight. Get the heaviset arrow and tip you can find and make a few shots just to see if it improves. Disregard spine and tuning, just shoot them to test the weight difference.

A tight nock fit can make a lot more noise than you would think. Get them fitting as loose as you can without the risk of a dry fire. That will help some.

 
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2018, 09:52:42 PM »
My total arrow weight is around 375 grains. 100 grain field point, 31" arrow @ 8.05 gpi.

My hunting recurves (all one piece) are very quiet with 2-1/2" wool puffs, B-50 string and 600 to 620 gr wood arrows (31" BOP w/125 gr heads).  7-1/2 to 8" brace height depending on the bow.  Leather riser pads and seal fur rests glued to the shelf on all.

I've had arrowed deer jump and look around under my stand and allow me a second shot.  And one m-m-missed deer looked at the arrow in the ground and allowed a follow up hit.  I take quiet seriously.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2018, 11:38:57 PM »
I can't imagine how you could hear anything except the arrow hitting the target in that situation. After getting in a better environment, you will have to determine what noise you have if any.
Not knowing your draw length, actual draw weight is in question... That means that the 400's could actually be considerably stiff for you and your bow. This is especially tru with point weights of only 100g.

Bow noise can be compounded by an arrow that is too stiff and having it bounce off the bow.. (audible click or clank as it hits)
If  you are just getting started, quit worrying about bow noise so much and work on consistancy. Better form will again change the requirement for proper tuning.
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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2018, 11:49:30 AM »
As said earlier....your GPP is pretty light.
Your nocks sound pretty tight..
Both can make noise.

Also, it doesn't look like you have any limb padding.
When you shoot the string hits the recurved part of the limb and can make quite a noise.
Some guys use some peel and stick felt type padding others use the fuzzy side of velcro.
I personally much prefer wrapping the string with Bow hush.
Every pad I've tried wore thru fairly quickly and needed to be replaced.
The bow hush has never had to be replaced.
In fact the bow hush has outlasted the string on a couple occasions.

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Re: Quiet my recurve
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2018, 12:06:13 AM »
End the struggle...shoot a longbow, this is why I won’t make curves.

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