They look cheaper than the 64's and they often look like a drunk 3 year old made them at the Bear factory when you observe the craftsmanship compared to the 64's or the magnus stinger. That being said, they fly like darts, sharpen easily with a magnus acusharp, and tough as nails even with the aluminum ferrule. I have used them since 2004 along with 64's but have since quit shooting the 64's 2 years ago because I just love how they perform. I have taken pigs, deer, rabbits, a kudu, 2 impala, a warthog and recently a wildabeast with em. They just work.