Article by G Fred in the new TBW.. please re-read with a better explanition on pg 3

[leatherneck]

Originally posted by Steve O:
G Fred writes great   hunting stories

He does write good HUNTING stories and I enjoy reading them.

I make my own trail cameras,is that considered traditional?

I read the article and have my own opinions on it. I wont post them here. But I do like Freds hunting stories. My cameras tell me what game is in my area. Just like my guide does on a guided hunt. Interesting huh?

[Zbearclaw]

I believe G Fred has very valid points, however it is up to each hunter as to what they utilize on a hunt.

I rarely use my GPS, never fired it up in Alaska on a backpack hunt, but I gave a God given talent for almost always known where I am without having to spend much time on the subject.  My dad was with me and when we were packing my buck out from midnight to 0400 he was a bit worried when the rain and fog were so thick the GPS didn't work.

I think lighted knocks are a gimmick that make no real difference in the outcome of a hunt.  A well chosen wrap or dip and high viz fletching show just as well in flight.

We rented a sat phone for AK, is that a violation of Pope and Young?  I usually carry my SPOT for solo backpacking hunts, what of that?

Too many care to be called a "traditional hunter".  Who gives a rip.  I am a bowhuter that has chosen the most perfect weapon for how I hunt.  It just happens to be a recurve that I shoot off the shelf...

[luv2bowhunt]

I am a traditional hunter... not a traditional religion pusher...

Hunting is to be taken by each individual as too what he or she thinks is sporting. One mans opionion is just that, his own opinion! We hunt with traditional equipment and that is what makes us traditional hunters. If you think that tradtional is hunting with self bows and stone points, then more power too ya... but don't try to tell the rest of the world that your way is the only/right way.

I do like how someone compared this to religion... there are tons of different religions and each one thinks that they are the only right one... makes lots of people sick and this causes problems.

Lets just say we all like to hunt with traditional equipment and work together to keep hunting alive instead of nit picking each other and making enemies.

If you want your hunting buddies to hunt like you then find some that hunt like you... but you don't have to try to convert everyone to your ways of thinking.

[rastaman]

Very thought provoking article...very thought provoking thread.  
i think G. Fred did what he intended.

[ChuckC]

"Very few people enjoy being told that they are doing something wrong, and that definately  includes us traditional bowhunters.  I am not telling you that you are doing something wrong by using the various skill substitutes when you are bowhunting.  But I am saying that you and I need to think about some of these things a bit more before buying into their usage.  I don't think we need most of them. "

That is the very last paragraph in Fred's article.  In it he SPECIFICLY states he is not saying you are wrong, and hopes only that you think about what you are doing. He is giving you a bunch of credit.

That's it. . .

From very briefly reviewing this edition of the TBM it appears to have this very topic as a backdrop with several similar stories.

I liked it.  Thanks TJ et al.  Well done.  Call it a friendly wake up call.

As above stated so many times. . . do what you want.  There are no trad police out there.  Just let a friend say  Whoa. .   are you sure ?  

It isn't about "trad" (whatever that is).  It is about the experience, the journey, the memories.  You make your own memories happen, your way.  

In the end, are you doing it your way or the way that the promoters of the techno gear want you to THINK is your way.

Excuse me please. .  I need to get my quad ready for next weekend.  There is no way I can actually walk back in to my hunting area and be successful.
ChuckC

[Dave Alaxanian]

I hunt with a recurve because the degree of difficulty pleases-ME!     I don't concern myself with what others use or their IDEA of whats traditional or primative! G.Fred can expose his "standards" on any media he chooses, it will not affect me or my opinion of myself! Come on folks,you went Traditional to be different from the mass of tech. out there--don't let anyone-NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE-make you question your own values-TO THYNE OWN SELF BE TRUE-

[Turkeys Fear Me]

Originally posted by JohnV:


One traditional writer bashes anyone who hunts bear over bait yet sees nothing wrong with hunting cats behind dogs or shooting game over small water holes.  Go figure.

 

That's funny right there.  I had a guy get all over me for paying to go on a guided hunt.  Just so happens he likes to hunt bears and cats with dogs.  

So I asked him... "Let me see if I got this right.  I pay a guy to show me where the deer live in an area that's unfamiliar to me and that's wrong. You feed a dog and tell him to go find you a bear or a bobcat, run it up a tree, stand at the base barking his fool head off until you show up to shoot it, and that's right?"

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me...

[Izzy]

I love TBM but it seems that there are a mess of "Strive To Be Like Me" articles in it lately.G. Freds was one of 2 articles like it in the last issue. It has probably been that way since one caveman told the one in the next valley over that he wasnt righteous cause he used an atlatl instead of a more traditional club but it still gives me a headache and I think it turns a lot of people off to traditional hunters.I can respect a man for forsaking all of those aids and tools but telling people that it somehow lessens their experience? I dont use any of the items he mentioned quads, gps, texting, trailcams but I dont see how someone can even imply that they negatively impact the hunt for a fella that chooses to.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

I read the article, and all it did was make me think.  I didn't get offended, I didn't feel it was a do as I say article, or anything like that.  All it said to me was that maybe we should think about things. He seemed to put himself in that category as well...just re-thinking some things.  

I enjoy articles that make me think, and do some self-examination....nothing wrong with that in my book, and I think Fred did just that in his article.

It would be boring to read articles that basically say, I went hunting, I saw an animal, I shot it, end of story.  That is why I like G. Fred, Dave Petersen, Dave Sigurslid, et al....they make me think....something this world sorely needs....


Lee

[Tdog]

Hey if you can live with yourself and how you do it. Its all good..Don't judge if you don't want to be judge yourself..If your having fun it's all good!!!

[Brad_Gentry]

Originally posted by lgvivian:
I read the article, and all it did was make me think.  I didn't get offended, I didn't feel it was a do as I say article, or anything like that.  All it said to me was that maybe we should think about things. He seemed to put himself in that category as well...just re-thinking some things.  

I enjoy articles that make me think, and do some self-examination....nothing wrong with that in my book, and I think Fred did just that in his article.

It would be boring to read articles that basically say, I went hunting, I saw an animal, I shot it, end of story.  That is why I like G. Fred, Dave Petersen, Dave Sigurslid, et al....they make me think....something this world sorely needs....


Lee

Amen, brother. After reading the posts on this thread I think a lot of people are missing the point.

[jcar315]

It is stunning to me how many posted opinions about the article before READING the article. Wanted to wait and actually read what was written before venturing an opinion.

I agree with G. Fred 100%! Thank you for writing what I have been thinking.

[Shawn Leonard]

I have read the article and have to agree with ihootforthrills, Fred talks down a lot of things yet he does use modern technology everyday. He may not use it to directly hunt with but does use it to get to his hunts and talk about them and so on and so on. I will say this and this is my feeling only! Others may do what they want as long as legal. I do not like the use of trail cams to actually pattern animals. I believe it is kind of cheating. I mean placing so many on a property that you can pretty much tell what time a particular deer is gonna be walking by your stand, not just a couple to see what is on your property. I will say this as well, do whatever you can live with, as long as it is legal! You are the only one who can judge you, everyone else is just giving an opinion and that is all it is "their opinion"!! I myself am gonna go out and hunt and have fun and could care less what the rest of you think of me or my ways, I can live with that!! Have Fun! Shawn