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Just thinking ......
« on: October 13, 2010, 07:55:00 PM »
Im taking a short break while some glue dries ....fletching up a sweet batch of doug fir shafts from Surewood!  They all weigh in the area of 430,  spined 60-65.  The first 10 inches down at the nock end are stained with a rich brown that fades out to the natural color at about the 10 inch mark.  6 coats of meticulously applied poly,  000 steel wooling after every 2 coats.  Fletched with 2 brown barred and a solid hot pink cock feather...white nock.   They are lookin' sweet!  145 grain STOS.  I know these fly perfect for me,  as this is the scheme I stick to.   I was just thinking ...I read this and that about EFOC.  The concept makes sense to me,  but Ive never tried to achieve a set up like that.  (I shoot wood all the time....just like everything about it.)  Is it really worth the tinkering and trial and error?  If your not after the Black Death,  is it really worth the trouble?  Aside from the love of simply experimenting with archery tackle ....I understand all that too of course.  Im just wondering if I set out to achieve a EFOC set up,  once I did,   would I be blown away or come to the conclusion that I didnt really need to go there?   Are there many folks out there that don't give a hoot about EFOC?   Seems to be alot of buzz about it these days for sure .....  :campfire:

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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 08:05:00 PM »
I think you would come to the second conclusion. I have never chased EFOC and have just shot whatever I came across and kept note of what I like. You have a set up you like so stick with it and put some meat in the freezer.

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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 08:12:00 PM »
I, for one am happy with the old standard FOC for wood arrows.  As far as I'm concerned, EFOC is a carbon fad that may be necessary for tuning carbons.  Standard FOC has worked well for a lot of years (10 to 50 thousand??).  A tight group is a tight group and the weight will give penetration what more is needed?

If you like experimenting, well and good, play away. But if you like what you have and the results you get what's the point?
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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 08:15:00 PM »
I can tell you EFOC does help with penetration. If you are already shooting through stuff with your setup, I don't think you'll notice much difference. Once it's through the deer, how far it sticks into the ground is kind of irrelevant.

I try the maximize EFOC with my carbons because I can. I don't think I'd go to all the bother with wood arrows. If I read your post right, yours weigh about 575 grains. That should get the job done as long as you are getting good flight.
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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 08:19:00 PM »
In 45 years I've never paid any attention to EFOC. Of course, much of EFOC for me is taken care of by selecting arrows and components that tune for me.

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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2010, 08:36:00 PM »
I have not yet tried carbons.   I have nothing against them,  just havent gone there yet.   When Im ready to purchase shafting,  all I can think about it wood!  Beautiful grained wood that,  with careful work and finishing,  I can get to cruise on a heavenly path into the spot on the target Ive burned a hole in with my mind!  I love it!  Yes,  430ish of shaft,  145 up front,  nock and 3 5 inch shield cuts and the poly that adds a little.   29 inch arrow out of my 50 to 53# recurves.  Ill be honest,  I dont even know my FOC % with this set up either.  Just know it flys mint.  I will find something to balance on though and use the formula and see what I get .....  :archer2:

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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2010, 08:39:00 PM »
Flies Flys hahaha....

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Re: Just thinking ......
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2010, 09:23:00 PM »
Here's my carbon setup for my 53# Orion and/or 52# Kanati.


FOC   
ARROW   length   28.5
   shaft+feathers+nock wt      240
   separate insert weight?      30
   rope weight/tube weight      60
   adapter weight?      75
   point weight      135
   total arrow weight      540
   balance length      21.12
      FOC %   24.11
         
GPP   
draw wt   53
arrow wt 540   
GPP 10.19


I used to make POC arrows, but I guess I got lazy in my old age. Carbons are so much easier and quicker, I just can't make myself go through all the steps and waiting involved with woodies.
Kanati 58" 44# @ 28" Green glass on a green riser
Bear Kodiak Magnum 52" 45# @ 28"
Bodnik Slick Stick longbow 58" 40# @ 28"
Bodnik Kiowa 52" 45# @ 28"
Kanati 58" 46# @ 28" R.I.P (2007-2015)
Self-made Silk backed Hickory Board bow 67" 49# @ 28"
Bear Black Bear 60" 45# @28"
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