I just hung another stand in a ...yep, Cedar yesterday afternoon. The tree has lots of cover (open ground cedars are very limby). It is adjacent to a large double stemmed oak. I have a 15-yard shot to the inside of a mature oak woodlot and lots of shots all around in the open ground around the tree. This tree's main bole leans which isn't good for the el cheapo brand of hang-ons I use. But at about 16-17 feet the main bole goes straight up. There's a nice "cradle" of limbs where the bole goes straight (I suspect somedamage to the terminal stem many years ago). I put my stand in this cradle. When standing my eye will be 21-22 feet high but the terrain rises in the direction I expect to shoot making the stand more like 14-15 feet. I'll probably hunt this stand in the morning for the first time. I used 2 sections of ladder rail to get me to the limbs of this tree. I removed the lower rail and hid it in brush as this tree is in a field that some kids like to ride an ATV around once or twice a month.