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Offline bsv

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hill style
« on: November 20, 2010, 06:45:00 PM »
What is Hill style? or should I get a book?
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Re: hill style
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2010, 06:51:00 PM »
You'll probably get a lot of interesting answers on this one.

To me, Hill syle is shooting a straight, string follow,or reflexed longbow with a swing draw, split vision aiming technique and quick release.
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Re: hill style
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2010, 07:07:00 PM »
I STRONGLY suggest getting the Hit Em Like Howard Hill video that John Schulz put out.

Seeing his son shoot an asprin out of the air using the swing method was awesome. Totally instinctive yet aiming at the same time!
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Re: hill style
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 09:06:00 PM »
There's shooting Hill style and there are Hill style bows.   John hit it pretty good on shooting Hill style.   That was how Howard shot and it surely did work for him.   However, doesn't mean that style will work for everyone.  Depends a bit on your physical characteristics and reflexes and what you're comfortable with.  Darn good way to shoot, though, and well worth working with... especially the split vision aiming, which, for most folks, can quickly turn into as close to instinctive as exists.  If it doesn't work for you, you can still shoot Hill style bows very well, you just find what does work for you.

Hill style bows are true American Longbows (as differentiated from English Longbows).  They can have straight limbs, moderately reflexed limbs or moderately deflexed limbs when unstrung.   Never, never, never, however, can they have limbs that flex first one way, then another when unstrung.   If they do that, they are R/D bows, i.e. "reflexes in drag".   Strung, true Hills are a perfect "D" shapre.  The rule books came up with a way to classify R/D bows as longbows, using the strung shape definition, and I think that's a darn shame, because they are wonderful bows in their own right and should not need to ride on the reputation of another style or be moved into its class, but that's my personal soapbox.  As made today, I feel the average R/D bow will outperform the average longbow or recurve.  The Hill style is a true traditional bow and should be appreciated as such and shot the way it was shot in its day.  

I shoot both styles and like them, but I'll freely admit that the true Hill style is a greater challenge to learn to shoot well.  That's why I concentrate on them.  I like the challenge.  I also like the simple design and purity of it, as do many others, which is why there always seems to be interest in it.

The fact that we have Hill style, R/D and recurve, as well as selfbows and laminates, traditional building and modern development is what makes archery such a fantastic activity.

If you want to pursue Hills further, visit the Hill Archery web site and do some googling for other references.  Drop in on the Howard Hill Longbowmen web site, too, or participate in their email list for awhile.  There's a ton of material and sources out there that can help you decide whether you want to go for it.

(Whoa!  Where'd all that come from?)   Simple answer to your question:  Hills are straight and skinny.  Everything else is fatter and has wiggle limbs.  8^)
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Re: hill style
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2010, 09:59:00 PM »
Excellent post Dick!
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Re: hill style
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 10:27:00 PM »
It was a natural, fluid, rhythm, tempo and swing draw.
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Re: hill style
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 11:51:00 PM »
Dick,

You da man! I totally agree with ya. Well put.

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Re: hill style
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 12:05:00 AM »
Well said captain!
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Re: hill style
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 03:15:00 AM »
With the Hill style the immediate release often gets folks new to it in trouble.  It is okay to ensure a solid anchor when learning it.  If one looks at the films of Hill, there is quite often just a bit of a hold before release.  Not maintaining a good anchor and consistent draw length is the common short coming for Hill style shooters.  Many think they have longer draw with the very heavy Hill style bows than they actually do.  There is no shame in out shooting someone if you shoot a lighter weight Hill longbow, I know from experience that a 37 pound  Hill Cheetah will put an arrow through a 160 pound whitetail at 18 yards, even though I used an 89 pounder and a 96 pounder for years.  Injuries can happen when playing with the heavy stuff, it takes a lot of work to maintain good form with the heavy weights.

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Re: hill style
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 12:36:00 PM »
Just so you know, I am not necessarily a nice guy  8^)  

One of my great joys in life is to do a 3D round in a group and keep pulling my little knitting needles out of the kill zone and nickle.  Sooner or later someone asks, "What poundage is that, anyway?" and I get to smile and say, "22", or, as happened on my last shoot this summer, "16".  It's especially fun when it's a long shot, like the buffalo at 35 yds +.  

Seriously, though, I'm trying to build up again.  This summer was a tough one.  I've been in PT this fall and am having the equipment installed at home in the next couple of weeks.  I'd like to get back up to 30 for full shoots and 40 for hunting for next year if I can.
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Re: hill style
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 07:11:00 PM »
Hang in there Captain.  Get healed up soon and back to bow building full speed.  I sense one of your forward handle creations in my future if I'm quick enough to speak for it.  I enjoy your website.  I find answers to a lot of questions about the Hill style of shooting and Hill longbows there. Keep up the good work!
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Re: hill style
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 08:56:00 PM »
Burt,
I suggest you read Hill's book, Hunting the Hard Way. Maybe start with the chapter "How I shoot a bow." Good shooting!

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Re: hill style
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 09:30:00 PM »
yep, 'hunting the hard way' is a good read about trad bowhunting.  so is craig ekins book about howard hill.  those two books cover a wealth of old school trad info.

like dick sez, 'hill style' is all about shooting/hunting american flat longbows.  

hill style longbows are the simple take on the elb, where the american limb cross section is rectangular.  the limb cross section on an elb is 'D' shaped - the back is flat and the belly is curved.  limbs are dead straight or with some follow or reflex at the tips.  brace limb shape is a nicely curved 'D'.

'hill style', as it pertains to shooting, is best described by mr hill as 'split vision'.  any way ya slice it, 'hill style' is just another form of instinctive archery aiming/shooting.  'hill style' is really more about the american longbow.

fwiw, and imho, i'd much rather shoot a mild r/d american longbow (such as a mohawk), for all the performance reasons garnered over those old straight limbed hill style longbows.  besides, most mild r/d limbed longbows have that classic 'D' braced shape we all love to love.  them buggers is like lay's 'tater chips, can't just have one ....

 
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Re: hill style
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 09:38:00 PM »
And I thought the Hill style was to be able to kill every big game animal in North America and a few bigger ones in Africa,and for fun win consecutive shooting championships multiple years in a row all while wearing a really suave mustache.    :goldtooth:
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Re: hill style
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 09:44:00 PM »
Yeah... apparently big bushy mustaches don't do it... though I can vouch they're good for javelina!
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