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Offline DBinAlamo

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2010, 10:51:00 AM »
Well said Steadman and bigbadjon...  :thumbsup:
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Offline Biggie Hoffman

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2010, 11:08:00 AM »
These are some of the many reasons I don't subscribe to the Big Tent Theory.
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Offline misfire

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2010, 11:51:00 AM »
I've read all these comments and have tried to see where I fit. I guess I'm in the middle. I've given up my training wheels for the stick and string but my arrows are both aluminum and wood. My BH's are modern COC's. My clothes are both wool and synthetic. I don't use any optics or those range finder thingys. I carry what tools of the hunt and food for the day in a sachael(sp). My best friend shoots a compound but he's still my best friend.

Yep, just somewhere in the middle...

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Offline rascal

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2010, 11:57:00 AM »
I dont watch the shows and I like to have a chuckle at some of the new gear that just doesnt make sense to me, I whittle my own bows, shoot wood arrows and generally am a minimalist when it comes to my hunting gear.  That being said I make every effort not to judge a man by the gear he carries but by the way he carries himself.  

The media and advertisers will be what they are, no changing that, they are trying to appeal to the largest market not the smallest or the smartest.  The shows sell sponsors gear and more shows by shooting big bucks in exciting locations.  They have dynamic hosts that can get the viewer excited about hunting and convince them that it is all possible using this or that piece of gear.  Pretty simple concept.

I really dont care what gear you might carry Im more concerned with how people act.
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Offline bro-n-arrow

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2010, 01:22:00 PM »
I love to get out and listen to nature not some loud radio!
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Offline Jason R. Wesbrock

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 02:45:00 PM »
I'd love to respond, but I haven't read the article. Besides, I'm too busy reading threads about carbon arrows, $30 broadheads, metal ILF risers, carbon/foam limbs, climbing tree stands, using my computer to scout via satellite photos, Thermacells, pop-up ground blinds, such-n-such camo pattern, or stories about people killing huge trophy animals.  ;)

Offline camocowboy

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2010, 02:57:00 PM »
I think if you have ever listened to my music you know that I agree with most of the posts above. yet I can't help but wonder when I read these sorts of ramblings how many of you would say no if Mathews called you up and asked you to host a new tv show. it would include more time hunting all kinds of game than you've ever dreamed of in places you've only dreamed of going. You just have to shoot that new $2000 bow. You gonna turn it down? I don't think so.

Offline bigbadjon

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2010, 03:03:00 PM »
Sir, are you suggesting that the honorable folks of TradGang would sell out thereby flipflopping on some of their stated positions?
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Offline finkm1

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2010, 04:02:00 PM »
I agree with most of the threads. I still hunt with a compound, but every season that I become more comfortable with my shooting, I hunt with with my recurve more. Next year I may put my compound to rest, my shooting is getting better and this season I shot my first deer with my recurve. I watched The American Archer with Tom Nelson this last weekend. I know Tom from back in the day at Anderson Archery, It made me sick to watch his show. According to Tom you will never shoot a deer unless you use all the Dead Down Wind products. There is so much pressure from the sponsors to push there products. But we have the choice to watch the program or turn the channel.Every body talks about keeping things traditional but Fred Bear used the latest arrow materials and bows in that period of archery.
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Offline RPolk

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #29 on: December 29, 2010, 04:42:00 PM »
It is common to hear people talk about their Freedom to do this or that, what some forget is our Freedom NOT to do something.

If you don't like some of the modern trappings offered today, then you are Free NOT to use them.
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Offline Karebru

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #30 on: December 29, 2010, 07:03:00 PM »
With every path we choose to follow, there are those that we choose NOT to follow, and reasons why.
To each his or her own, and the freedom to respectfully voice why we make the choices we do.
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I’d sure like to get good enough with this fiberglassed, R/D longbow, that my next kill is made with a carbon arrow!  ;)    

Throw another log on the fire. Will ya?   :campfire:  And pass me a beer.
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Offline Swamp Yankee

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2010, 08:02:00 PM »
I'm always amazed at what the marketeers did with the freshwater bass fishing scene.  They built a multi-billion dollar industry around a stupid trash fish not fit for human consumption that barely puts up a fight.  I sure hope traditional bowhunting never goes down that road!
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Offline finkm1

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2010, 08:14:00 PM »
RPolk... You hit the nail right on the head! Life is about making  choices, some are good and some are bad.
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Offline Otto

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »
True...life is about the choices one makes.  In this case the OP is merely stating his agreement with Kamstra's philosophy.  Some folks agree, some don't.

However....

No matter ones views with respect to technology and pursuit of the outdoors, no one can deny that fishing and hunting in particular have been prostituted by those out to make a buck.

That's not good for any of us.
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Offline finkm1

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #34 on: December 30, 2010, 06:35:00 PM »
I agree totally that outdoor sports are being prostituted. I've noticed the last couple of issues of Traditional Bowhunter Mag has ran advertisements from Bear and Hoyt. The bear adds are very tasteful with pictures of Fred Bear and I realize they are trying to make a comeback in the traditional market. But the Hoyt ad with Fred Eichler is what this post is talking about. There are a lot of advertisements with bows having metal risers. I hope traditional archery does not follow the same path as black powder rifles, in-line synthetic stocks, scopes ect.
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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2010, 06:56:00 PM »
I'm not a fan of many of the hunting shows. I love shows that feature moose, sheep, turkey, and sometimes caribou IF they are bowhunting. I don't like the motorcycle, rock or country music themed shows. I can't stand cooking segments, and the last thing I need to see is a bowhunter with bed-hair being dragged out from under the covers. Neither do I want bowhunting sold the way jeans and beer are sold if you get my drift.  

I'm getting very bored with watching people hunt deer, bear, and even elk (I can't believe I included elk). If they are hunting with recurves or longbows like Eichler or Strickland, I'll watch anything.

I love Cabelas. I don't live close to one but I've been to probably 1/3rd of all of them in North America -- If there's one near me as I travel, I go. I love the atmosphere, especially the taxidermy.  They don't have much in the archery department that interests me anymore, even when I shot compounds heavily.  I also go to Sportsman's Warehouse and Bass Pro -- I guess it is a habit that I can't break. Again, I'll cruise the archery section but rarely will I find something I need.

Now, my handle will probably be put in smaller font for these next comments or have an asterisk placed beside it.  I've shot compounds for all but the first 5 years and this last year of a 40+ year "career" in bowhunting. Even though I didn't deer hunt with a compound this year, I continue to target shoot with one. If I don't think I can head-shoot turkeys at 20 yards this spring, I'll hang the recurve up for a month while I hunt with an EZ7. I'm now shooting head silouettes on my basement range with my curves.  

The following comments were triggered by the comments (and they weren't too harsh here on Trad Gang)about Mathews Archery.

I think Matt McPherson and Mathews Archery are the best things to come along for archery since Mr. Bear. And as a Christian fellow who adores children, they don't come any finer than Matt.  

The strongest shooter development program in the history of the shooting sports is the National Archery in the Schools Program. Twenty thousand school teachers have taught NASP-style archery to 7.1 million students so far -- 77% had never shot a bow, 21-26% by their own bows within the first year, and 65% keep shooting after school archery classes. The kids are taught to shoot more like the way we shoot; fingers, no sights, no releases, stabilizers etc. Yep, a compound without let-off is the bow and Easton's aluminum arrows are used. But this is so the bows and arrows fit every student from 4th-12th grade, unlike a single recurve, longbow or regular compound. The maker of the bow doesn't even put his company's name on it for the school program. Mathews is the ONLY bow company to sponsor the non-profit NASP - -to the tune of $2,000,000 (Platinum) in 10 years. Since Hoyt is a subsid of Easton, I need to add Easton to this list as that fine company is a charter Gold Medal sponsor.

Within 5 more years, God willing, there will be more young people becoming archers than there were archers in 2001. So, when you hear folks sounding the death-toll for archery, bowhunting, and the shooting sports in general, don't believe it.  According to the Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association (SYGMA) archery grew only 2% TOTAL from 2001-2009.  However, in the last year for which data is available, 2009 archery participation grew 7.7% -- in a single year. This is 28 times faster than in the previous 8 years combined!  

These kids will be drawn to traditional archery or not, based upon their exposure to it and to those of us who love it. We must embrace these archers, young and old as long as their muscles pull and hold the bow, I count them as mine.  I shoot my recurves and compounds exactly the way as the kids are taught.

I know some of you here on Trad Gang are also involved in your local NASP effort.

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2010, 07:28:00 PM »
They don't sell skill in stores.
On the other hand I learned a lot when relearning trad archery on this and other forums mainly because local shops don't DO trad. I bought bows here,studied other bows and gear here,and bought some trad supplies online via KK and 3R. Soooo a stupid modern gizmo allowed me to enhance trad skills --- huh?
Thanks for the advise guys I've never met!

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2010, 08:35:00 PM »
Frankly, I never even trusted the stores with my compound issues. I and my friends do all the work on our equipment.  Matter of fact, I'll admit being too sensitive about advice from a shop person. Too often their advice is product, sales, or convenience driven. I've learned it is better to act like I know nothing if I go in one. Just ask for something if I can't find it. If they don't have it I head for the internet or telephone.

How does 3Rivers ship things to me faster than I can hang up the telephone?

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Re: Campfire philosopher
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2010, 09:30:00 PM »
outdoor experience,respect,being for something... not against something,keep it stupid keep it simple,have fun life's short,it's your choice not mine and I respect it,EVERYBODY's right it just depend on the point of view.It's great to have this kind of discussion and it's even better face to face,in person,than it is using texts.Irespect all of your point of view even tough I do not agree with all.
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