I hate Coyotes!

[Kevin Dill]

I must have a different subspecies of coyotes where I live in southeast Ohio. We have had an abundance of coyotes here (right where I reside) for 15 years now. I see coyotes with weekly frequency on my farm. We see them as roadkills, running across fields, hunting mice, in groups of 2 to 7. They are all over the place. Our local deer population (where I reside again) has never looked better. If you used empirical logic, you'd say "I want more coyotes here!" because they are NOT damaging the deer population on my farm.

That said, I fully understand anyone who "hates" a coyote for causing them loss or damage. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if a deer jumped in the path of a car and someone was injured or killed right? "I despise deer, and the only good deer is a dead deer". I'm not mocking anyone by that. But...do you hate black bears today? Black bears have killed more Americans than coyotes ever will. They destroy campsites and damage property. Grizzlies can kill you and your dog, or steal your moose/caribou in an instant. Do you hate them? Pretty interesting to ponder...

Here's a recent visitor to my yard:
 

[jon boy]

One  spot I hunt here in MI you have to get right on the blood trail or the coyotes will be there waiting for you.

[Steve Kendrot]

Coyotes have "invaded" (I think colonized a better description) the easten US via two means. Much of the northeast was colonized by a population expansion enabled by the extirpation of wolves that formerly kept coyote populations in check. Coyotes dispersing through southern Canada interbred with wolves along the way and reentered the US in northern New York in the 1940-50s. They were a bigger and beefier but still by and large a coyote.

In the southern US, as referenced by several posters, coyotes received a helping hand from hunters who translocated them into hound hunting enclosures throughout the southeast where they quickly escaped. The story is well told in Gerry Parker's book Eastern Coyote: the story of it's success.

One poster referenced ongoing efforts to control rabies in Ohio. Its interesting to note that raccoon rabies was also spread throughout the east coast states by coon hunters who translocated raccoons for hunting purposes. This is a disease that costs millions if not billions of dollars. Pretty ironic that it's usually the state DNRs that get the blame from hunters when it has in fact been hunters themselves relocating these "problem" animals. So we get a new critter town that we need to understand better so we can effectively manage it and the same hunters then turn around and condemn the DNR for "wasting" tax dollars studying them.

It's worth remembering that these are the same agencies we have to thank for restoring deer, elk, turkey, and other game throughout the US so we have something to hunt. When I see how readily some people buy into the rumors that the "DNR" introduced coyotes, I can't help but wonder who the "idiots" are.

[Kevin Dill]

"Its interesting to note that raccoon rabies was also spread throughout the east coast states by coon hunters who translocated raccoons for hunting purposes."

Not to hijack a coyote-hating thread, but I could expound endlessly on the evils of raccoons where I live. These animals were once rather secretive and hard to spot, back in the 70s. They are now so prevalent, it's amazing. I have seen family groups of 7 and 8 trundling around together. Raccoons regularly come right up on all our porches and search for leftover pet food. I've had them peer in the windows at me. I've got video of them emptying out our bird feeders. They can climb a brick or natural-siding exterior wall like it's nothing. I have cage-trapped a huge number of them in 10 years here, and sent them to a better place. They now litter the roads with their carcasses...where it used to be groundhogs. Want to get a shock? Just turn a corner on your sidewalk and have an 18 pound raccoon hustling toward you! They have become a true pestilence out here, and I show them no mercy. An adult raccoon has very few predators to contend with, save man. Same for coyotes. At least the coyotes don't sniff my door sills...

Hey, wait a minute!.....Maybe someone can invent the coyote that prefers 'coon meat!

[Bonebuster]

There is no effective management of coyotes.

[wapitimike1]

If you have snow in your area and you want to get rid of some dogs!! Backtrack the dogs to there den. Throw a ground hog bomb into it step back and waalaa. When the dogs start coming out just blaze them with a auto 380 or 9mm. Then on to the next den!!

[Drew]

wow 8 pages...must be the off season!

[bigugly1]

Sucks that you lost your deer. I'm not a big fan of coyotes myself only because for the first half of my life we never had to worry about them. The last 20 years they have came on strong in Ontario and in some areas it's out of control. I understand under normal circumstance they take care or their own population, that is if everything is normal. Well here it is not, one they are not native and for one reason we use to have wolves but we killed most of them out of southern ranges in Ontario over 100 years ago. We offer them an almost unending food supplies at dumps and transfer stations. In southern Ontario the population is huge and hardly hunted for various reasons. A lot of farmland is no longer actually farmed and owned by farmers, very hard to get permission to hunt, areas with big populations are bow only which makes it even harder to hunt them, in Ontario you can't leave fur bearing animal to rot, you must make all attempts to retrive any fur bearing animal and remove fur. This is the reason I do not hunt them on purpose, what am I to do with the fur when I remove it? Fur prices here are so low it's not worth while plus where am I to take it? I would never just shoot and leave a native species and just let it rot but in this case I'd be awefully tempted. We use to have a bounty on them with a place to actually take them but the city folk who fought for the rights of the coyote put a stop to that, funny how know I read the same epople complaining about pets being killed by same aniamls and wondering what can be done to remove them from city ares, not kill them just you know discourage them from living near me...lol They even tried poison bait ini some areas, coyotes to smart for that but sure killed a lot of fox, raccons and skunks, way to go, I can't kill and leave a coyote to rot but it's ok to drop poison bait from a plane. sorry for rant, over.

[GingivitisKahn]

Originally posted by Kevin Dill:
Maybe someone can invent the coyote that prefers 'coon meat!

Good call!  I think you might just win the thread.   :D

[PAPA BEAR]

back when i was around twenty three i worked on a big ranch up the nehalem river north of tillamook oregon.every morning at 4am i had to herd the stupid cows up to the barn for the farmer to milk.i kept hearing things moving around in the grass close to me every morning.i started carrying a hi-beam flashlight and the very first morning i carried it i waited until i heard the grass rustling then turned it on.i was stunned by what i saw,there must have been a dozen coyotes around me in a half circle working in on me.they saw the light and stopped.sure put an extra zip in my step.next day i was packin my 12ga pump.should've seen'em scatter when i started unloading on'em.      

[Elksong]

Aldo Leopod -"In those days we had never heard of passing up a chance to kill a wolf. In a second we were pumping lead into the pack, but with more excitement than accuracy; how to aim a steep downhill shot is always confusing. When our rifles were empty, the old wolf was down, and a pup was dragging a leg into impassable side-rocks.

We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something new to me in those eyes—something known only to her and to the mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters' paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf nor the mountain agreed with such a view."

[Elksong]

Fred Bear-I have always tempered my killing with respect for the game pursued. I see the animal not only as a target but as a living creature with more freedom than I will ever have. I take that life if I can, with regret as well as joy, and with the sure knowledge that nature's ways of fang and claw or exposure and starvation are a far crueler fate than I bestow.

[Elksong]

And one just for Wapitimike.

Edward Abbey -The purpose of love, sex, and marriage is the production and raising of children. But look about you: Most people have no business having children. They are unqualified, either genetically or culturally or both, to reproduce such sorry specimens as themselves. Of all our privileges, the license to breed is the one most grossly abused.

[Kevin Dill]

Elksong...

Pretty good stuff, right there! Thank you!

[Thumper Dunker]

Right on Elksong. Bunch said with out knowing.

[LCH]

Well deer season just went out so I think I will try to kill a coyote or coon. Huh maybe they are good for something after all.LCH

[outbackbob48]

I have trapped quite a few yotes an they are survivors, truly an amazing animal. I have also visited many furbuyers an not a single one has ever had a single tagged coyote come in. Quite a few tagged coon come in with a rabies marker in there ear.This way they are not blood tested over an over for rabies. Nobody likes a coyote, I go to a farm an ask to deer hunt an its tuff to get permission. I have never been denied permission to trap coyotes, some of these grain farms are full of mice an rats yet they let me trap the best mousers of all, fox an coyotes, I have had three prime red fox killed by yotes that were in my traps, most just bit thru the back an crushed there spine,only one was tore up. Do I hate coyotes, no but I sure do respect them for all there survival skills. they seem to be doing well for the amount of people trying to kill them. Just my .02 worth.

[J-dog]

Originally posted by SEMO_HUNTER:
My older brother had a predator of "different sorts" a couple of years ago on a bowshot doe. He also shot it right at dark and wasn't sure about the hit so he marked the spot and left it till morning. When he returned the next morning he tracked the doe less than 100 yards from the spot where he shot it, but the deer had been dragged a little ways and covered up entirely by leaves. Nothing was really eaten off of it just some chew marks and bite marks, but he said you couldn't see any part of the deer exposed and it just looked like a big mound of leaves piled up.

Cats are the only animals I know of that cover their food with leaves, coyotes on the other hand in my experience will only try to bury pieces of it to save for later.

So we were sure it was a cat, but we just don't know how big? He said it was about an 80lb. doe so I assume it would take a fair sized cat to drag it any distance away from where it died.
Looking back on it, we should have put a trail cam on the carcass and left it there to capture whatever came back to recover it's meal.

SEMO - I have had Black bears cover my deer with leaves and debris. Cats do as well but bears will also. Just a thought. Any bears known in your area?

Jason

[J-dog]

Nevermind LOL