Author Topic: Grizzly BH. El Grande or Regular. (Read 488 times)

capt eddie · « **on:** January 05, 2011, 07:52:00 PM »

I want a 160 gr single bevel BH. The Grizzly comes in the regular and the El Grande. Both 160. Which would be better in your opinion? How do they get the 190gr El Grande down to 160 and keep the same size? I know Dr Ashby starts with a 190 and changes angle and size to get 160. Is the El Grande have the better temper he spoke of? R52 R55

J-dog · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2011, 08:54:00 PM »

Think the el grandes are harder steel, but do not quote me on that one. Also I think the el grandes profile a little different from regulars.
I use regular 160 grizz for awhile now and like them, think if I wee to buy again I would do the el grandes 160s.
They are a bear to sharpen still! they are hard! I cna shapren them but I really think if I needed to get more I might just go through Sharpster on here and get some of his dealdy sharp ones! it is not that much more dollars.

Jason

And yes I would shoot them into targets as I always do and resharpen them. Sounds redundant I nkow but the grizz heads are a bear to sharpen the first time then paperwheels or light fle work touch them up nicely. It is that initial file work that can be a bear and get a hair shaving BHead.

My .02 for what it is worth.

ncsaknech1ydh · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2011, 10:53:00 PM »

I've got some 160's and 190's both in ElGrandes, the profile to me looks the same. I have been told that the lighter broadheads are made thinner to get the weight down, having both and looking at them to me anyway, this looks to be true.

Also, the Elgrandes are wider then the regular, and this to I have been told is done by making the Elgrandes thinner then the regular Grizzlys to get the same weight heads. DK.

SlowBowinMO · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2011, 11:11:00 PM »

DK has it. The laminations on the 160 El Grande are a bit thinner to lower the weight, but they are the same profile as the 200. The 160 standard is the same thickness as the 200 but smaller profile.

The hardness difference between the two, the standards are about 51 and the El Grandes about 52, not much difference. And while the El Grande looks much bigger visually, the actual cutting width difference is only a mere 1/16" of an inch.

Both great heads, you can hardly go wrong with either.

Hope this helps, Tim

Dr. Ed Ashby · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2011, 11:44:00 PM »

Tim has it exactly correct. The 160 gr. Grizzly and the 200 gr. El Grande are thicker, and are stronger heads. The 160 gr. El Grande will occassionally bend, especially on heavy bone, oblique angle impacts. That said, it's still way tougher than most commonly used broadheads; just not quite in the same toughness league as the 160 gr. Grizzly and the 200 gr. El Grande. For that reason alone, I would prefer the regular 160 grain Grizzly to the thinner 160 grain El Grande.

Ed

capt eddie · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2011, 07:44:00 AM »

Thank you all very much for that information. Tim: That kind of customer service is what will keep you in business.

J-dog · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2011, 08:11:00 AM »

So no 160 el Grandes! stick with reg 160s or do the 200 el grande. thought the el grandes were a touch longer and a touch wider? (1/16th or so each way)

Steve Clandinin · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2011, 10:10:00 AM »

Great info,I was wondering the same thing,I really like the 160 reg,shes tough as nails and fly great.Hey Tim,things worked good for Xmas with the Surewoods !LOL.

Terry Green · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2011, 10:57:00 AM »

I guess if I was to answer....I'd ask what are you planning on shooting with it?....and ask what you set up is. Bows, arrows, and Bheads are all just tools...and they need to me matched up for the game intended.

I would make my choice based on a number of considerations.

I'd take the widest one on deer every time. Even out of lighter weight bows.

kibok&ko · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2011, 12:02:00 PM »

personaly i shoot first the regular one with success to ... but now i'm carrying only the le grande one all the time in the quiver , my bow is around 48/49 pounds with my draw and the el grande is doing a great job from 350 pounds animal to 35 ones ... and better blood trail to

capt eddie · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2011, 04:08:00 PM »

I plan on useing them for large hogs in Mexico. Elk in CO, Black Bear in Manitoba. Shooting then out of 60# Treestick and 70# Treestick. AD Trad and Hammerheads. 724 gr for the 70# and 620gr for the 60#. In the past I have had trouble with POC shooting to close and or hitting the shoulder with a Snuffer. I have had poor penetration. I hope the Grizzly with the EFOC and faster recovery of the carbon will help me out. All of my poor penetration have been shots less then 20 feet away. With a snuffer. I am hoping this will change with the Grizzly and carbon. Alot of time you do not have the opion of letting the animal move out to a better range.

Kris · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2011, 04:24:00 PM »

Capt Eddie

Sounds like you are on the right track!

Good luck with this.

Kris

CEO · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2011, 04:43:00 PM »

3 of 12 160 ELs recently purchased were found bent when packaging was opened. The 160 ELs bent easily when shooting into broadhead sand trap. I won't buy any more.

Terry Green · « **Reply #13 on:** January 07, 2011, 08:49:00 AM »

Dang CEO....thanks for the heads up....didn't know the Grandes were that fragile ....I'll be ditching mine.

Pete McMiller · « **Reply #14 on:** January 07, 2011, 08:56:00 AM »

Wow CEO. Have you contacted the manufacturer? Something obviously wrong in the process. I bought a dozen 160 ELs last summer and shot three in broadhead league (sand piles) without any type of failure other than the paint worn off. BTW all the 160's weighed 170 +/- 1 grain out of the package.

capt eddie · « **Reply #15 on:** January 07, 2011, 09:00:00 AM »

Tim at BraveHeart Archery. I am trying to place an order for the Grizzly and the order form will not take credit card only Paypal. No phone number on your site. Please PM so I can place this order. An my computer show a error when I try to email you. I know it is my faulty computer not yours.

ncsaknech1ydh · « **Reply #16 on:** January 08, 2011, 01:15:00 AM »

Speaking of BraveHeart Archery, check out the Tuskers, the guys at KME sharpen the 145 grain Concorde's for them, I plan on ordering some in the future and testing them along side the Grizzly's I now have, I also plan on getting some of the narrower old style Grizzly's. DK.

SlowBowinMO · « **Reply #17 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:13:00 AM »

Eddie, I just now saw your post but your order did come in just fine so I guess you got it figured out. If you need any assistance we are at 816-225-8823. The number is on the site but is easy to miss.

I'll PM you also to make sure you're squared away.

Thanks!

SlowBowinMO · « **Reply #18 on:** January 08, 2011, 02:15:00 AM »

Quote

Originally posted by CEO:
3 of 12 160 ELs recently purchased were found bent when packaging was opened. The 160 ELs bent easily when shooting into broadhead sand trap. I won't buy any more.

CEO something is wrong here, obviously new heads shouldn't be like that. If you purchased those from us please PM or e-mail me so I can send replacements.

Thank you, Tim @ Braveheart

JimB · « **Reply #19 on:** January 08, 2011, 10:09:00 AM »

I thought so too.I have never seen any broadheads bend in sand and the grizzlys may be the toughest broadheads that I have shot.


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