I called Simmons Friday morning and wasn't able to speak with anyone. Later that afternoon Gary returned my call without me leaving a message... Talk about service, this guy was truly one of the nicest guys I have every talked to and he knows his stuff... I ended up purchasing six "tiger sharks" from him and I should have them later in the week. Anyway, its nice to know to there are still people in the industry like Gary... Gary reminds me of many of the great people here that have helped me "start" to make the transition from compounds to trad! I will let you know how they shoot!